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pass or 4h?

#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2009-February-22, 07:56

Scoring: IMP

1♣-ps-1♠-ps
2♥-ps-3NT-ps
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3nt undiscussed

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Posted 2009-February-22, 08:25

4♥ wtp?
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Posted 2009-February-22, 08:58

4♥, completing the description of our hand: 5+♣ with 5♥, and since with equal length you would open 1♥ with 5-5, you must be at least 6-5. This is the perfect description, because partner knows your strength and shape.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 12:57

I saw that you mentioned "3nt undiscussed". Does this mean that other responses to opener's reverse were "discussed" and if yes, what are they? This information might/might not help identify what 3NT bidder has, but not sure it affects my choice, 4H.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 13:46

It seems obvious to me to rebid 4♥ to show the 5-6 distribution. It would be nice to know the meaning of 2NT in this sequence, since that might shred some light towards the meaning of 3NT. But I think it's clear to bid 4♥ anyway.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 15:40

I think responder is showing a good balanced hand, 13-14 or so HCPs, exactly 4 spades and 2 or 3 hearts.

I'll bid 4H. If responder bids 4N, I'll take that as RKC for hearts. If responder bids 5C, I'll raise to 6C.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 12:34

4♥.

I expect 3NT to be the best contract a significant percentage of the time, but passing puts a few too many eggs in a basket that's a bit too small. After 4♥ we should be able to put the right eggs in the right baskets.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 13:40

I thought the choice was between 4♥ and 5♥. Pass wouldn't occur to me.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 13:59

5♥ is forcing to slam since there is no guarantee of a heart fit.

Pass really is silly with this sort of hand. Sure it can work but there is no chance of bidding a slam and 3NT could be hopeless.

4♥ seems very middle of the road.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 14:42

Cascade, on Feb 23 2009, 12:59 PM, said:

5♥ is forcing to slam since there is no guarantee of a heart fit.

Please explain. If your argument is that 5♥ must be a 6-5 slam force because we have no other bid for it, then I would say this is not a very well-thought argument.
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Posted 2009-February-24, 07:45

4♥ as we could have a slam, especially in ♣
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Posted 2009-February-24, 08:47

rogerclee, on Feb 23 2009, 08:42 PM, said:

Cascade, on Feb 23 2009, 12:59 PM, said:

5♥ is forcing to slam since there is no guarantee of a heart fit.

Please explain. If your argument is that 5♥ must be a 6-5 slam force because we have no other bid for it, then I would say this is not a very well-thought argument.

He says that partner is correcting to clubs at the 6 level, if you are willing to force to slam on imssfits, you should be forcing to slam when there is a fit in hearts as well.
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Posted 2009-February-24, 10:23

4♥

I don;t like partners making undiscussed jumps in constructive auctions, because it leaves both of us guessing: I am guessing what he meant and he is guessing what I guessed it meant.

But this is a huge hand that has to be bid out, and he can do what he wants.

If he rebids 4N, he is playing it there.... I have a meta-agreement in all my partnerships that a call of 4N by a player who offered to play in 3N is natural.
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Posted 2009-February-24, 10:41

Btw I didn't mean to start a serious debate about 5♥, which this hand is clearly not good enough for (by any definition). I was merely trying to show that I didn't even realize passing 3NT was a serious option.
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Posted 2009-February-27, 04:00

2 NT would be forcing "Lebensohl" for me. Thus 3 NT is a very very strong wish to play. If 6 or 7 clubs is on we will have a serious discussion!

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