[H_KARLUK]

Say somebody imagines itself as in a role of greater importance than it would seem to be ordinarily at games.

Say again making there are some minor / major progresses semi or professionally about th game, but wasn't really at the top level recognition.

Such salient circumvented and shortcut route helps to bring a "success" which is exaggerated to the point of caricature ?

Maybe just a simple pathological considered in diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, ie "superioty complex" (grandiose, delusions of grandeur). No big deal.

Have you ever observed players among your hobbies whosoever are in over their heads, exaggerate the amount of power, importance that they have ? What might be th reasons of their mentally retarded attitudes where firmly and officially expected to respect the spirit of fair play and ethics ?

Can you imagine such folks act th very different between live and online games? What might be th reasons to jeopardise their eligibility?

Are there any more unseen reasons that navigates allergy to discuss th idea politely but instantly prefer overstated emotional appeals?

Oh, maybe a daily routine in 21st century as Jed Diamonds pointed out in his The Irritable Male Syndrome (IMS) which based on more than 30 years of clinical researches.

[orlam]

I have seen many B/I players who think they are experts. I haven't seen any experts who think they are world class unless they are.

[Phil]

orlam, on Feb 18 2009, 02:51 AM, said:

I haven't seen any experts who think they are world class unless they are.

I've seen plenty of good players put WC on their profile. They might be advanced or even expert. It isn't that uncommon, but its no different than an Int calling themselves an advanced or expert.

Of course I've seen a lot of horrible players put WC or expert on their profile too.

[gwnn]

It's more common than one would expect to get 'all' of the 'important decisions' right in a session of bridge, for players much worse than world class/expert (of course said player will usually not notice his subtle mistakes etc etc). This phenomenon lends itself as a perfect cause for extremely inflated self-evaluation.

[kenberg]

I like to think that some of these WC designations come from folks having a little jest with the idea of ratings. At least I hope so.

Many years ago, before life masterhood, I was playing in the Sunday Swiss Team game, at the time not stratified in any way. We had a couple of wins and sat down to our next opponents. Steve Robinson on my right, Peter Boyd on my left. Ron Sukoneck and I forget the fourth at the other table. We did not win. After we compared scores I said a few words about the stature of the team we had just lost to. A teammate at the other table, who had been unaware of this, said "Oh, maybe that's why he looked at me funny when I told him how he [Sukonek] should have played the hand."

[Rain]

This isn't limited to bridge. Games are important business! So many worship the sports stars, same for other games.

[hrothgar]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 18 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

Say somebody imagines itself as in a role of greater importance than it would seem to be ordinarily at games.

Say again making there are some minor / major progresses semi or professionally about th game, but wasn't really at the top level recognition.

Such salient circumvented and shortcut route helps to bring a "success" which is exaggerated to the point of caricature ?

Maybe just a simple pathological considered in diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, ie "superioty complex" (grandiose, delusions of grandeur). No big deal.

Have you ever observed players among your hobbies whosoever are in over their heads, exaggerate the amount of power, importance that they have ? What might be th reasons of their mentally retarded attitudes where firmly and officially expected to respect the spirit of fair play and ethics ?

Can you imagine such folks act th very different between live and online games? What might be th reasons to jeopardise their eligibility?

Are there any more unseen reasons that navigates allergy to discuss th idea politely but instantly prefer overstated emotional appeals?

Oh, maybe a daily routine in 21st century as Jed Diamonds pointed out in his The Irritable Male Syndrome (IMS) which based on more than 30 years of clinical researches.

Pot
Kettle
Black

[matmat]

hrothgar, on Feb 18 2009, 10:49 AM, said:

H_KARLUK, on Feb 18 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

Say somebody imagines itself as in a role of greater importance than it would seem to be ordinarily at games.

Say again making there are some minor / major progresses semi or professionally about th game, but wasn't really at the top level recognition.

Such salient circumvented  and shortcut route helps to bring a "success" which is exaggerated to the point of caricature ?

Maybe just a simple pathological considered in diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, ie "superioty complex" (grandiose, delusions of grandeur). No big deal.

Have you ever observed players among your hobbies whosoever are in over their heads, exaggerate the amount of power, importance that they have ? What might be th reasons of their mentally retarded attitudes where firmly and officially expected to respect the spirit of fair play and ethics ?

Can you imagine such folks act th very different between live and online games? What might be th reasons to jeopardise their eligibility?

Are there any more unseen reasons that navigates allergy to discuss th idea politely but instantly prefer overstated emotional appeals?

Oh, maybe a daily routine in 21st century as Jed Diamonds pointed out in his The Irritable Male Syndrome (IMS) which based on more than 30 years of clinical researches.

Pot
Kettle
Black

hehe... richard!

[TimG]

orlam, on Feb 18 2009, 02:51 AM, said:

I haven't seen any experts who think they are world class unless they are.

It all depends upon what you think of as World Class. Or, expert, for that matter.

[PassedOut]

kenberg, on Feb 18 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

A teammate at the other table, who had been unaware of this, said "Oh, maybe that's why he looked at me funny when I told him how he [Sukonek] should have played the hand."

LOL.

Reminds me of a tournament in Wichita when I was a college student in the late 1960s and my partner was one of my math professors. The distinguished-looking gentleman on my right held long trumps against me and I did not have enough entries in dummy to ruff myself down to his length. It looked like down one for sure, but I went through the motions anyway, leading dummy's established suit. To my relief, the DLG ruffed, so I overruffed and claimed.

As we were putting the cards back, the DLG asked, "Son, could you lay out the cards for me so I can see where I miscounted."

I said, "You should have discarded. I'd have lost a trick to your jack of hearts."

My partner said firmly, "Lay out the cards."

I did, and the DLG said, "Oh, I see what I missed."

Then my partner led me away from the table and said, "Don't ever give bridge lessons. That was J. G. Ripstra."

[jdonn]

hrothgar, on Feb 18 2009, 10:49 AM, said:

Pot
Kettle
Black

Come on, the hypocricy was hilarious, don't discourage posts like this! I have decided to take the positive view and just let myself be entertained by this stuff.

[FrancesHinden]

The majority of bridge players believe that they are better players than they actually are. If they aren't winning the Bermuda Bowl, it's because the selectors are biased/teammates won't perform/they had an offday in the trials/their methods aren't permitted/their opponents were ludicrously lucky (whatever).

So what? Some are worse than others, but it's true of virtually everyone I know. How many humble poker pros do you know? How many people on a team of six volunteer to sit out sets?

I can't remember the exact number, but a vast majority of the (driving) population believe they are better than average drivers. I doubt there are many men with shorter than average (***censored***) either.

In case you were wondering, the above doesn't apply to me. I'd have won the Bermuda Bowl by now if it weren't for my partner's stupidity at key moments. I very rarely make a mistake.

p.s. I've just been reading about The Irritable Male syndrome, and I pretty confident I don't suffer from it.

p.p.s
hypocrisy
superiority
the

write each out six times

[jdonn]

FrancesHinden, on Feb 18 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

p.s. I've just been reading about The Irritable Male syndrome, and I pretty confident I don't suffer from it.

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hypocrisy
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write each out six times

LOL your ps and pps are very funny in conjunction. Or maybe it's just me.

[Al_U_Card]

The key to enjoying your pomposity is to maintain imperviousness....DOH!

[Walddk]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 18 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

Are there any more unseen reasons that navigates allergy to discuss th idea politely but instantly prefer overstated emotional appeals?

You lost me there, Hamdi. Could you please translate that sentence into English?

Roland

[mikeh]

H:

You are over-reacting, and/or reacting inappropriately.

You made a series of posts in the A/E forum. Some of those posts were completely inappropriate to the forum.. as Justin pointed out (more rudely than he should have, imo), some of your posts revealed that you had no idea what the auctions you posted actually meant.

Based on your apparent level of knowledge, you are a long way from being an expert, or even an advanced player.

You have been advised to post your problem hands in a more appropriate forum, and to post more useful information about the auctions you post... you tend to post auctions that are non-standard without explaining the meaning of the bids.

You refuse to acknowledge that this advice is justified.... instead, you try to defend yourself... a natural reaction, but not one that serves you well in this case.

Attacking justin or josh, as I think your post here was intended to do, only serves to make you appear more foolish... inviting, as an example, richards trenchant response.

My advice: post in the B/I forum for a while.... and reduce the number of posts until, by following the discussions in all of the forums, you have a better feel for how most experienced players think. And improve your posts by explaining the meaning of the auctions.

In the thread that generated the most heated responses, as an example, you cited an auction in which a player bid 2N after their partner had balanced with a double... you apparently believed that the 2N was 'natural', when, as justin pointed out, very few, if any, good players would, these days, use 2N as a natural bid... most use it as a scramble/grope or a form of lebensohl, with the scramble being, I think, 'expert standard'. The fact that you didn't know this is very strong evidence that you need to do more reading and less posting, at least in the A/E forum.

As for your attack on your critics as having only moderate success..... that moderate success includes successfully competing at levels that you don't appear to even understand.

If there are any realities about duplicate bridge, they surely include:

1. Most players think they are better than most observers think they are
2. Most players below true expert status have virtually no idea of how an expert actually thinks... this helps to explain point 1.

Most players seem to think that the expert is just lucky or has good partners or.... when, in reality every expert I know worked VERY hard at the game and combined that hard work with being lucky enough to possess the right kind of intelligence.

I don't know you enough to voice any opinion as to whether you have the right kind of intelligence to become an expert.. but I can tell that you haven't yet done the work that is required.

If I can make a suggestion beyond those already set out above, it would be to subscribe to as many bridge magazines as possible.. preferably in a language in which you are fluent. I suspect that your reading comprehension in English is better than your writing (that is not intended as a criticism... I can read French reasonably well, but can't write or speak it worth a damn), so maybe subscribe to the Bridge World.

But don't give up

[HeavyDluxe]

I believe that mikeh's post is entirely too level-headed and reasonable to be fit for the internet.


Well said.

[hrothgar]

FrancesHinden, on Feb 18 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

I can't remember the exact number, but a vast majority of the (driving) population believe they are better than average drivers. I doubt there are many men with shorter than average (***censored***) either.

In case you were wondering, the above doesn't apply to me.

Hmmm...

Does this mean that we're now going to get corrected if we call you "Frances" rather than "Francis"?

I finally thought that I had that one down right, and now this...

[FrancesHinden]

hrothgar, on Feb 18 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Feb 18 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

I can't remember the exact number, but a vast majority of the (driving) population believe they are better than average drivers.  I doubt there are many men with shorter than average (***censored***) either.

In case you were wondering, the above doesn't apply to me.

Hmmm...

Does this mean that we're now going to get corrected if we call you "Frances" rather than "Francis"?

I finally thought that I had that one down right, and now this...

Well, either I meant the bit above the bit above. Or I was being entirely accurate that any comment about 'men' doesn't apply to me.

By the way, I am also an excellent driver and navigator. I am sure that is the case because my husband always insists on driving when we are out together, I assume it is because he doesn't want to be shown up in front of our friends by my skill behind the wheel. In practice, I rarely get to demonstrate my map reading ability either because he usually does it himself. I believe that is because he doesn't want to distract me from thinking about more important things.

[helene_t]

FrancesHinden, on Feb 18 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

I can't remember the exact number, but a vast majority of the (driving) population believe they are better than average drivers. 

I think it was 80% of Americans and 30% of Japanese. Or some such.

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I doubt there are many men with shorter than average (***censored***) either.

I think there are. I once saw a survey where men and women were asked what they think the average *** length is. The men on average answered 25cm while the women said 11 cm.