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Playing a Big Club system, what are your agreements in this auction:
1♣ - (3♥) - ?
What would you suggest should be the meaning of:
* double
* 3♠
* 3NT
* 4♣/4♦?
Jan Veerbeek
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Posted 2009-February-13, 12:23
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Posted 2009-February-13, 13:30
All bids game forcing. Double as takeout, others natural 5+.
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Posted 2009-February-13, 13:34
Same as RobF.
The majority of the time, opener has a big balanced hand (just because balanced hands are very common). If the auction had gone 1NT-3♥ I would play double as takeout and bids are natural. Don't see a strong reason not to do that here.
Obviously double can occasionally be off-shape on a balanced hand strong enough for game but lacking a heart stopper.
The majority of the time, opener has a big balanced hand (just because balanced hands are very common). If the auction had gone 1NT-3♥ I would play double as takeout and bids are natural. Don't see a strong reason not to do that here.
Obviously double can occasionally be off-shape on a balanced hand strong enough for game but lacking a heart stopper.
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Posted 2009-February-13, 15:40
Rob F, on Feb 13 2009, 08:30 PM, said:
All bids game forcing. Double as takeout, others natural 5+.
Agree
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Posted 2009-February-14, 19:20
Partition 1C/1D openers for just this case. 1C has 18+bal, S, S+D, S+C, S+H. So responder X warns no S-fit; suit bids xfer; 3NT with stops; P forces as opponents are 3H+.
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Posted 2009-February-15, 06:22
Hilver, on Feb 13 2009, 01:23 PM, said:
Playing a Big Club system, what are your agreements in this auction:
1♣ - (3♥) - ?
What would you suggest should be the meaning of:
* double
* 3♠
* 3NT
* 4♣/4♦?
Jan Veerbeek
1♣ - (3♥) - ?
What would you suggest should be the meaning of:
* double
* 3♠
* 3NT
* 4♣/4♦?
Jan Veerbeek
Deserves a little more thought.
"Double is takeout" is a bit flippant. You need to decide whether you will follow an idea I associate with Marty Bergen, whereby this double is often based on a chunky minor.
A clear axample is something like this:
♠Qxx ♥xx ♦AKQxxx ♣xx
Under this style, double is mainly a stopper ask. Opener with four spades and a heart stopper bids 3NT. Even 5-3-3-2 might try 3NT with say ♥AJx.
If you try this method, responder's typical 4-1-4-4 becomes problematic. Do you sit 3NT or try to get back on track via 4♥? Swings & roundabouts.
With this style, there is some case for playing 4♣ & 4♦ as non-leaping Michaels, as some do over a 3♥ opening. Not my style.
3NT natural but so should be 4NT so 3NT has a range, say 8-13 or equivalent.
If you play this way (I do) then 4♥ should be minors. For one thing, it allows you to reach 4♠!
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Posted 2009-February-15, 10:29
I don't particularly care for the stopper ask style. Strong NT hand is a priori the most common big club hand but high level preemption warps the odds. The stopper ask style is terrible when opener is unbalanced, and has problems when responder is unbalanced. It works when opener has exactly the right hand: balanced with a stop. Also nothing keeps opener from bidding 3NT on this hand over a takeout double.
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