[gwnn]

2♦-p-2♥-X
2♠-X

multi, p/c, t/o of hearts, natural, double.

What's this double?

[Codo]

I want to defend, something like Kx or Qxx at least. Pd should pass with his "promised" 4 spades and bid something else with less or really bad spades.

[kfay]

PENALTY!!!

[helene_t]

penalty

[awm]

It's a lot like the auction 1♥-X-1♠-X. Basically cooperative penalty, wanting to defend under the assumption that the original double contains spade length (as it normally will).

[gwnn]

What do you bid with both minors and some values?

What's 3m and what is 2NT?

[whereagles]

I have that dbl defined as take-out with a weaker hand than 12 or so hcp.

[kfay]

gwnn, on Nov 30 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

What do you bid with both minors and some values?

What's 3m and what is 2NT?

2NT should be minors cause if you have a natural 2NT then you'd just defend.

3m should be to play.

wtp?

[FrancesHinden]

gwnn, on Nov 30 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

What do you bid with both minors and some values?

What's 3m and what is 2NT?

partner has made (ostensibly) a take-out double of hearts, and they have bid spades.

Double = penalty-orientated (assuming some spade length from partner)
2NT = lebsonsohl
3m = natural, constructive

[gwnn]

So Frances you differentiate between two different ranges or non forcing hands with a minor?

i.e.

AJxxxx and out vs. AJxxxx and an outside KJ or so?

with a stronger hand you'd bid 3♠ now, 3♥ being natural?

Kevin your suggestion 2NT=minors sounds sensible but not sure if it's a better agreement than Lebensohl and I wonder if a non negligible amount of people actually have that agreement.

I realized that x should be penalty-ish but then I realized that maybe responsive would make a little more sense because opener would never psyche this 2♠ bid. The extent of agreements needed for these multi auctions generally scares me.

[helene_t]

Not sure if I would like to play lebensohl here. P has shown length in opps' suit. So with less than constructive value I think I am happy to pass most of the time.

[kfay]

gwnn, on Dec 1 2008, 06:44 AM, said:

So Frances you differentiate between two different ranges or non forcing hands with a minor?

i.e.

AJxxxx and out vs. AJxxxx and an outside KJ or so?

with a stronger hand you'd bid 3♠ now, 3♥ being natural?

Kevin your suggestion 2NT=minors sounds sensible but not sure if it's a better agreement than Lebensohl and I wonder if a non negligible amount of people actually have that agreement.

I realized that x should be penalty-ish but then I realized that maybe responsive would make a little more sense because opener would never psyche this 2♠ bid. The extent of agreements needed for these multi auctions generally scares me.

I was mistaken. I play it as Frances does, lebensohl.