[mike777]

Lobowolf, on Dec 1 2008, 01:29 AM, said:

mike777, on Dec 1 2008, 12:18 AM, said:

Lobowolf, on Nov 29 2008, 09:00 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

Opponents silent.  3♣ (4SF) would be forcing to game.  

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If playing with a good , long term, partner in general, I really want to know what a minimum game force hand by responder looks like. Yes, I can always upgrade or downgrade based on fit, just let me know what a minimum game force hand looks like in general.


2h if partner opens lite
3c if partner opens sound.

Your partner probably opens something like 85% of her 12-point hands and 15% of her 11-point hands, using reasonable judgment to evaluate them based on intermediates, distribution, and prime values.

ok, I understand partners who open 99% 11 points and often ten and nine....
I understand passing 13 often in first and second seat....

The rest confuses me.....

[jdonn]

mike777, on Dec 1 2008, 02:41 AM, said:

ok, I understand partners who open 99% 11 points and often ten and nine....
I understand passing 13 often in first and second seat....

The rest confuses me.....

Right, the 1% of 1% on each end of the spectrum of heavy and light openers is a piece of cake. But anything that even resembles normalcy is too confusing to handle....

Mike, you are saying if partner is a light opener you will make a minimum (approx. 6-9) range rebid, and if partner is a sound opener you will make a game forcing (approx. 13+) rebid, but anything else confuses you? Might I recommend you make a bid on the range that exists in between your two choices! I call that range "invitational", and it offers you at least three plausible options on this hand.

[mike777]

jdonn, on Dec 1 2008, 03:12 AM, said:

mike777, on Dec 1 2008, 02:41 AM, said:

ok, I understand partners who open 99% 11 points and often ten and nine....
I understand passing 13 often in first and second seat....

The rest confuses me.....

Right, the 1% of 1% on each end of the spectrum of heavy and light openers is a piece of cake. But anything that even resembles normalcy is too confusing to handle....

Mike, you are saying if partner is a light opener you will make a minimum (approx. 6-9) range rebid, and if partner is a sound opener you will make a game forcing (approx. 13+) rebid, but anything else confuses you? Might I recommend you make a bid on the range that exists in between your two choices! I call that range "invitational", and it offers you at least three plausible options on this hand.

jdonn

My response was honest...I am not trying to trick or insult other players. Btw your posts are often helpful.
1) if lite responder can have 11 points
2) if sound i force to game on this hand.
3) if other I may not get this hand best

Even after several years on bbo forums.....these responsive hands seem very hard......see other responses...but in any case...they are hard for me...so I assume...case one or case two......online bbo.

[han]

For me the choice is between the 3C overbid and the 3H invite. 2NT on this hand doesn't seem right and 2H is way too deep. The 3H invite is not flexible but it is right on values and if we had to pick a strain right now then it would be hearts for sure. 3D can't be right at MPs either can it?

At IMPs I'd bid 3C to make the chance of getting to the right game as large as possible.

[benlessard]

if 3H isnt forcing its my bid. If not ill bid a truly ugly 2Nt.

I think bidding 2Nt without a stopper is so lame but if 3H if forcing im stuck.

[skjaeran]

3♥'s got to be the best bid here. It's right on values. I'm a trump short, but it's the only invite I can stomach. And my hand is invitational. The only other option to me is the underbid of 2♥, but that's just too little with this hand.

Playing ULTRASOUND openings I'd force to game with 3♣.

[Lobowolf]

benlessard, on Dec 1 2008, 01:47 PM, said:

if 3H isnt forcing its my bid. If not ill bid a truly ugly 2Nt.

I think bidding 2Nt without a stopper is so lame but if 3H if forcing im stuck.

3♥ would have been invitational.