[Quarky]

How do you bid the following hand playing standard 2/1? Your partner opens 1S vulnerable, IMPs (opps are passing)

Your hand is

63
Q
AKQ32
87632

After your forcing 1NT, partner bids 2C. Your call?

[Cascade]

Raise clubs.

3♣ will be enough since in the system being employed 2♣ is not a real suit.

[Quarky]

Cascade, on Nov 25 2008, 03:36 PM, said:

Raise clubs.

3♣ will be enough since in the system being employed 2♣ is not a real suit.

Yeah, well pard decided to try 5C, which got cracked by a guy holding KQJ9

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

You go via the forcing NT.

After that you look further, after you hear 2C, which
should be a 3 carder (unless you require that 2D
showes 4 cards), you know you have a fit, you show
the fit with 3C.
This showes a fit and inv. strength, surprisingly that is,
what you hold.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mike777]

Quarky, on Nov 25 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

How do you bid the following hand playing standard 2/1? Your partner opens 1S vulnerable, IMPs (opps are passing)

Your hand is

63
Q
AKQ32
87632

After your forcing 1NT, partner bids 2C. Your call?

I like playing BART here after 1s=1nt=2c. In the version of BART I know:

3c now is weak with 5 card support less than invitational values, a blocking bid.
1s=1nt
2c=3c

With invitational values in clubs you start with 2d over 2c which asks partner to describe his hand further and then responder rebids 3c to show 5 clubs and invitational values.
1s=1nt
2c=2d(BART)
2x=3c

[bid_em_up]

Quarky, on Nov 25 2008, 03:37 PM, said:

Cascade, on Nov 25 2008, 03:36 PM, said:

Raise clubs.

3♣ will be enough since in the system being employed 2♣ is not a real suit.

Yeah, well pard decided to try 5C, which got cracked by a guy holding KQJ9

Stuff happens.

That doesn't mean 3C isn't the right bid.

[helene_t]

When Quarky, Cascade, Charles and I agree it must be right.

[Quarky]

bid_em_up, on Nov 26 2008, 10:12 AM, said:

Quarky, on Nov 25 2008, 03:37 PM, said:

Cascade, on Nov 25 2008, 03:36 PM, said:

Raise clubs.

3♣ will be enough since in the system being employed 2♣ is not a real suit.

Yeah, well pard decided to try 5C, which got cracked by a guy holding KQJ9

Stuff happens.

That doesn't mean 3C isn't the right bid.

Sorry, I said that wrong. THe 'your' hand i posted was my partner's hand, so it was his action I was uncertain about. My partner jumped to 5C with that hand, right after my 2C response to his forcing NT. So i think we all agree he was too fast with his bid, then.

[jdonn]

All of your threads sure seem determined to find a consensus that your partner messed up. I'm sure you don't mean anything by it, but that sort of thing is generally considered to be in poor taste...

Anyway I agree 3♣ is normal absent conventions that let you do things like 'strongly invite'.

[neilkaz]

Quarky, on Nov 25 2008, 02:37 PM, said:

Cascade, on Nov 25 2008, 03:36 PM, said:

Raise clubs.

3♣ will be enough since in the system being employed 2♣ is not a real suit.

Yeah, well pard decided to try 5C, which got cracked by a guy holding KQJ9

This is a bit optimisic considering that your 2♣ rebid could just be 3 rather lousy cards and tha PD has a dubious stiff Q in a suit the opps have to have lots of cards in.

Absent of BART, I'd bid 3♣. It is OK to have a max.

Had the opening been 1♥, I'd now bid 2♠ to show a good raise of ♣, but that distinction isn't possible after a 1♠ opening unless you play BART.

[benlessard]

I remember Meckstroth bid

1S------1Nt
2C (could be 3)------------3C

5C

The 1S was limited to 15 pts to the 3C was stronger than standard.


he had

Axxxx
xx
x
AKxxx

He said that since 3C tend to show 5C support or 4C and a lot of values. It also tend to show a stiff spade.