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Ekren 2H in competition

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  1. 3C WTP? (19 votes [52.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.78%

  2. 3C but not happy about it (7 votes [19.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.44%

  3. pass but not happy about it (4 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. pass WTP? (6 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

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Posted 2008-November-21, 11:12

You hold the following hand:
Scoring: MP


The auction starts:
2♥* - Dbl* - ?

2♥ = weak with at least 4-4 in the Majors, not 3-suited (5431 allowed), not 2 Aces
Dbl = penalty with a balanced hand

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Posted 2008-November-21, 11:23

Redouble asking partner to pick a major. If he picks spades I pull to 3C, if he picks hearts I pass.

I don't understand pass, I'm certainly not happy about it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-21, 11:24

I'll just bid 3♣ now, I don't expect any ruffs in dummy if I play in hearts, or one at the most.

You really want to play redoubled if partner prefers hearts han??
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Posted 2008-November-21, 11:28

Ages back, I did a bunch of sims trying to figure out what to do after the opps trotted out a penalty double.

As I recall, bidding 3♣ with this sort of shape works for the best.

The good club spots makes life even more attractive (its easier to smack the opponents when you have top honors)

Please note: When I am playing assumed fit methods, I don't open 2X with a 5440 shape. This increases the chance that opener has at least one club...
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Posted 2008-November-21, 11:29

Oh wait, I misread the opening bid, I thought it was 2D. Now I can't find out if partner has 5 hearts so I'll just bid 3C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-21, 16:56

I'm not really happy about anything on this hand. I expect that we're doubled and going for sticks and wheels no matter what I do.

So a very unhappy 3C it is.
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Posted 2008-November-22, 00:45

Did I know playing 'assumed fit' 2H that these misfits would occur? Take my beating in 2H. Pass. Just maybe this is our cheapest spot eg. S-Axxxx H-Qxxxxx D- C-xx
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Posted 2008-November-22, 23:04

dake50, on Nov 22 2008, 01:45 AM, said:

Did I know playing 'assumed fit' 2H that these misfits would occur? Take my beating in 2H. Pass. Just maybe this is our cheapest spot eg. S-Axxxx H-Qxxxxx D- C-xx

Lol, I don't think you have been playing assumed fit preempts much. Partner is extremely unlikely to have a 6-5. From what I've encountered, most of the time time assumed fit preempts are 4-4 or 5-4. 3♣ rates to be the best fit the majority of the time.
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Posted 2008-November-28, 07:50

Pass WTP, RED vs RED is there any1 dumb enough to do this with a 4-4 ?
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Posted 2008-November-28, 13:27

benlessard, on Nov 28 2008, 02:50 PM, said:

Pass WTP, RED vs RED is there any1 dumb enough to do this with a 4-4 ?

Yes, me and my partner are...
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Posted 2008-December-12, 11:51

3♣. Assumed fit pre-empts are usually 5-4 or 4-4 and there is a very high probability that ♣ is our best fit. Make LHO decide what to do.
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Posted 2008-December-12, 11:53

benlessard, on Nov 28 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

Pass WTP, RED vs RED is there any1 dumb enough to do this with a 4-4 ?

Ben, even if partner is 5-4, if partner's 5 card suit is spades, you are just as screwed! Also, if partner is 5-4, I beleive this means he has 4 minor suit cards?? These minor suit cards have to be somewhere.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 13:46

Since opener's bid was stated as "at least 4/4 in the majors, does this mean 6/5 holdings are not allowed? If they are, it seems to me that it would be best to have partner act next. This gives your LHO a chance to bail you out if your in a misfit and, if LHO doesn't bid, partner can SOS with the 4/4 or bid 2 Spades if they are longer. You can still bid 3 Clubs later.
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Posted 2008-December-13, 17:43

lilboyman, on Dec 13 2008, 08:46 PM, said:

Since opener's bid was stated as "at least 4/4 in the majors, does this mean 6/5 holdings are not allowed? If they are, it seems to me that it would be best to have partner act next. This gives your LHO a chance to bail you out if your in a misfit and, if LHO doesn't bid, partner can SOS with the 4/4 or bid 2 Spades if they are longer. You can still bid 3 Clubs later.

Why would opener SOS if partner gives clear preference to playing 2♥?
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