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How would you play if the lead was 1) 2 of ♣ (East contributes the Q to this trick) 2) a small ♠
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Posted 2008-November-17, 17:52
How would you play if the lead was 1) 2 of ♣ (East contributes the Q to this trick) 2) a small ♠
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Posted 2008-November-18, 10:45
The club lead is clearly non-standard: can you tell us what their leading agreements are?
on the club lead, life is simple: I have five club tricks, one diamond, one spade (eventually) and need two heart tricks; however I really need two heart tricks quickly. I win the king of clubs, play a heart to the king and, if that holds, guess hearts right on the way back. If the HK loses to the ace and they play a diamond, I duck a couple of diamonds, win the third, and decide what to do next (I need to know who plays what in what order on this start to the play).
On a spade lead things are fairly dire. I would have to assume that clubs are running, so would be in the same position. Win the spade in hand (I want to be in hand anyway) and play a heart to the king. If that loses and a diamond comes back I'm probably obliged to rise ace, king of clubs, club to dummy, run clubs and take a heart finesse. There's no point looking for a second spade trick, it doesn't obviously help me, and I look stupid if they can take 3 spade tricks now. If the HK holds, I will continue with a heart to the 10 as I have the additional chance of 4 heart tricks plus the club finesse for 9.
on the club lead, life is simple: I have five club tricks, one diamond, one spade (eventually) and need two heart tricks; however I really need two heart tricks quickly. I win the king of clubs, play a heart to the king and, if that holds, guess hearts right on the way back. If the HK loses to the ace and they play a diamond, I duck a couple of diamonds, win the third, and decide what to do next (I need to know who plays what in what order on this start to the play).
On a spade lead things are fairly dire. I would have to assume that clubs are running, so would be in the same position. Win the spade in hand (I want to be in hand anyway) and play a heart to the king. If that loses and a diamond comes back I'm probably obliged to rise ace, king of clubs, club to dummy, run clubs and take a heart finesse. There's no point looking for a second spade trick, it doesn't obviously help me, and I look stupid if they can take 3 spade tricks now. If the HK holds, I will continue with a heart to the 10 as I have the additional chance of 4 heart tricks plus the club finesse for 9.
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Posted 2008-November-19, 09:44
Leading agreements are supposed to be standard.
How would you guess the hearts? I led small to the K taken by the A, King of D led next, which I ducked and now back comes....a low heart!
How would you guess the hearts? I led small to the K taken by the A, King of D led next, which I ducked and now back comes....a low heart!
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Posted 2008-November-19, 10:41
Rossoneri, on Nov 19 2008, 03:44 PM, said:
Leading agreements are supposed to be standard.
How would you guess the hearts? I led small to the K taken by the A, King of D led next, which I ducked and now back comes....a low heart!
How would you guess the hearts? I led small to the K taken by the A, King of D led next, which I ducked and now back comes....a low heart!
Dunno. That's the advantage of replying online, I can just casually explain that I'm going to guess them correctly without saying how.
If LHO has led a 5-card club suit, and RHO has the KQ of diamonds (as seems likely), then if he's also got the ace of spades, he's always going to return a heart here.
The main reason to put the 10 in, is that even if we put in the 8 and it loses to the jack, we don't actually have 9 tricks... we have 2 hearts, 5 clubs and a diamond.
Mind you, if RHO actually has Axx A9xx KQ10xx Q (say) he's squeezed on the run of the clubs.
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Posted 2008-November-19, 11:43
FrancesHinden, on Nov 19 2008, 05:41 PM, said:
Mind you, if RHO actually has Axx A9xx KQ10xx Q (say) he's squeezed on the run of the clubs.
No he isn't. LHO wins ♥J and returns a diamond. On the run of the clubs, RHO just keeps winners.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-November-19, 19:41
FrancesHinden, on Nov 19 2008, 04:41 PM, said:
Rossoneri, on Nov 19 2008, 03:44 PM, said:
Leading agreements are supposed to be standard.
How would you guess the hearts? I led small to the K taken by the A, King of D led next, which I ducked and now back comes....a low heart!
How would you guess the hearts? I led small to the K taken by the A, King of D led next, which I ducked and now back comes....a low heart!
Dunno. That's the advantage of replying online, I can just casually explain that I'm going to guess them correctly without saying how.
If LHO has led a 5-card club suit, and RHO has the KQ of diamonds (as seems likely), then if he's also got the ace of spades, he's always going to return a heart here.
The main reason to put the 10 in, is that even if we put in the 8 and it loses to the jack, we don't actually have 9 tricks... we have 2 hearts, 5 clubs and a diamond.
Pretty good reading of the hand, this was precisely what RHO had.
The other table ran the clubs first and dropped the offside doubleton J♥.
The question is, which line is better, to run the ♣s or to play on the ♥s?
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