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Any idea where I can get the 5 books written by Robert Danielson?
Book 1 Relay Precision The One Heart Relay,
Book 2
Book 3 Relay Precision Major Suit Responses & The Unlimited Notrump
Book 4
Book 5 Relay Precision The Catch-All Opening
Appreciate any help. Thanks.
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Posted 2008-October-02, 03:04
Hi, and welcome to the forum! I hope you will enjoy our company 
Google is your friend:
The Victorian Bridge Association have them in their library. www.blainehowe.com/BookRoot/bookFind.php
It looks as if you can get at least one of them at postfree. users.bigpond.net.au/postfree/books/authD.htm
Google is your friend:
The Victorian Bridge Association have them in their library. www.blainehowe.com/BookRoot/bookFind.php
It looks as if you can get at least one of them at postfree. users.bigpond.net.au/postfree/books/authD.htm
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Posted 2008-October-02, 03:09
Well, I have a copy of them....
It is largely old-fashioned material now (given that it is 30 years old) and relays have come a long way since then.
What it does do is give you all the CTC hands from BW in a format to test your bidding - and that is useful.
Some of the decisions in auctions he recommends are rather double-dummy but the sheer array of different asking bids and relays is vast (albeit more economically useful in other formats eg symmetric relay with many relay breaks using asking bids from Danielson).
The single greatest benefit he managed was to revise the 1D opening to be a utility bid which COULD be managed in competition by NOT making assumptions about D length etc.
The long-lasting features are many negative free bids (probably overtaken by transfers/Rubensohl in a modern setting) and some useful ideas over high level interference following amporphous openings (and some of the NT continuations which live on in the Italian top pairs' methods).
send me a PM if you are interested..
fred
It is largely old-fashioned material now (given that it is 30 years old) and relays have come a long way since then.
What it does do is give you all the CTC hands from BW in a format to test your bidding - and that is useful.
Some of the decisions in auctions he recommends are rather double-dummy but the sheer array of different asking bids and relays is vast (albeit more economically useful in other formats eg symmetric relay with many relay breaks using asking bids from Danielson).
The single greatest benefit he managed was to revise the 1D opening to be a utility bid which COULD be managed in competition by NOT making assumptions about D length etc.
The long-lasting features are many negative free bids (probably overtaken by transfers/Rubensohl in a modern setting) and some useful ideas over high level interference following amporphous openings (and some of the NT continuations which live on in the Italian top pairs' methods).
send me a PM if you are interested..
fred
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Posted 2008-October-02, 07:47
Me too!
Robert J. Danielson's RELAY PRECISION, 1977, 129 Tracy Place, Hackensack, NJ 07601
Book 2: Higher Rebids & Interference
Book 4: Minor Suit & Special Responses
Book 5: The Catch-All 1 Diamond Bid
Interesting for the Challenge the Champs examples.
I have not used any of his ideas, I prefer Transfer Responses.
Larry
Robert J. Danielson's RELAY PRECISION, 1977, 129 Tracy Place, Hackensack, NJ 07601
Book 2: Higher Rebids & Interference
Book 4: Minor Suit & Special Responses
Book 5: The Catch-All 1 Diamond Bid
Interesting for the Challenge the Champs examples.
I have not used any of his ideas, I prefer Transfer Responses.
Larry
Ultra ♣ Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
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Posted 2008-October-02, 19:38
PrecisionL, on Oct 2 2008, 09:47 AM, said:
Me too!
Robert J. Danielson's RELAY PRECISION, 1977, 129 Tracy Place, Hackensack, NJ 07601
Book 2: Higher Rebids & Interference
Book 4: Minor Suit & Special Responses
Book 5: The Catch-All 1 Diamond Bid
Interesting for the Challenge the Champs examples.
I have not used any of his ideas, I prefer Transfer Responses.
Larry
Robert J. Danielson's RELAY PRECISION, 1977, 129 Tracy Place, Hackensack, NJ 07601
Book 2: Higher Rebids & Interference
Book 4: Minor Suit & Special Responses
Book 5: The Catch-All 1 Diamond Bid
Interesting for the Challenge the Champs examples.
I have not used any of his ideas, I prefer Transfer Responses.
Larry
Hi, Larry, how you doing?
Just out of curiosity, are you familiar with Romex Forcing Club, and if so, what do you think of it?
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
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Posted 2008-October-13, 08:05
helene_t, on Oct 2 2008, 04:04 AM, said:
Hi, and welcome to the forum! I hope you will enjoy our company
Google is your friend:
The Victorian Bridge Association have them in their library. www.blainehowe.com/BookRoot/bookFind.php
It looks as if you can get at least one of them at postfree. users.bigpond.net.au/postfree/books/authD.htm
Google is your friend:
The Victorian Bridge Association have them in their library. www.blainehowe.com/BookRoot/bookFind.php
It looks as if you can get at least one of them at postfree. users.bigpond.net.au/postfree/books/authD.htm
Thanks. I bought Books 2 and 4 from Postfree. Unable to get the rest despite internet search.
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Posted 2008-October-13, 08:06
PrecisionL, on Oct 2 2008, 08:47 AM, said:
Me too!
Robert J. Danielson's RELAY PRECISION, 1977, 129 Tracy Place, Hackensack, NJ 07601
Book 2: Higher Rebids & Interference
Book 4: Minor Suit & Special Responses
Book 5: The Catch-All 1 Diamond Bid
Interesting for the Challenge the Champs examples.
I have not used any of his ideas, I prefer Transfer Responses.
Larry
Robert J. Danielson's RELAY PRECISION, 1977, 129 Tracy Place, Hackensack, NJ 07601
Book 2: Higher Rebids & Interference
Book 4: Minor Suit & Special Responses
Book 5: The Catch-All 1 Diamond Bid
Interesting for the Challenge the Champs examples.
I have not used any of his ideas, I prefer Transfer Responses.
Larry
I have books 2 & 4.
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Posted 2008-October-13, 08:19
blackshoe, on Oct 2 2008, 08:38 PM, said:
Hi, Larry, how you doing?
Just out of curiosity, are you familiar with Romex Forcing Club, and if so, what do you think of it?
Just out of curiosity, are you familiar with Romex Forcing Club, and if so, what do you think of it?
Hi Ed, doing OK. Yes, I have all of the Romex books. Interesting, never found anyone to play and still prefer Transfer Strong Club (a la Sabine Auken).
Larry
Ultra ♣ Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
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Posted 2008-October-13, 14:55
People seem to hear "Romex" and run away screaming. I don't know why. 
The thing I find interesting is the effort to which Rosenkranz went to make it easy to play Romex/RFC as a "two card" system. The natural 1M openings aren't much different; everything from 2♠ up is the same, and so is 2♦ so the major differences are that playing RFC all the hands you would open with 1NT or 2♣ in Romex are opened 1♣, and in RFC 1NT is the mini and 2♣ is natural. Oh, and 2♥ is the "Precision 2♦ 3 suited opening.
Aside from the lack of willing partners, the main problem with this system, at least around here, is finding a place where you can play it. Three of the openings (2♥ when NV, and 2NT and 4NT at all vulnerabilities) are Midchart, and most club owners don't like the Dynamic NT either, even though it's GCC.
The thing I find interesting is the effort to which Rosenkranz went to make it easy to play Romex/RFC as a "two card" system. The natural 1M openings aren't much different; everything from 2♠ up is the same, and so is 2♦ so the major differences are that playing RFC all the hands you would open with 1NT or 2♣ in Romex are opened 1♣, and in RFC 1NT is the mini and 2♣ is natural. Oh, and 2♥ is the "Precision 2♦ 3 suited opening.
Aside from the lack of willing partners, the main problem with this system, at least around here, is finding a place where you can play it. Three of the openings (2♥ when NV, and 2NT and 4NT at all vulnerabilities) are Midchart, and most club owners don't like the Dynamic NT either, even though it's GCC.
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
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Posted 2008-October-21, 06:06
Impact, on Oct 2 2008, 04:09 AM, said:
Well, I have a copy of them....
It is largely old-fashioned material now (given that it is 30 years old) and relays have come a long way since then.
What it does do is give you all the CTC hands from BW in a format to test your bidding - and that is useful.
Some of the decisions in auctions he recommends are rather double-dummy but the sheer array of different asking bids and relays is vast (albeit more economically useful in other formats eg symmetric relay with many relay breaks using asking bids from Danielson).
The single greatest benefit he managed was to revise the 1D opening to be a utility bid which COULD be managed in competition by NOT making assumptions about D length etc.
The long-lasting features are many negative free bids (probably overtaken by transfers/Rubensohl in a modern setting) and some useful ideas over high level interference following amporphous openings (and some of the NT continuations which live on in the Italian top pairs' methods).
send me a PM if you are interested..
fred
It is largely old-fashioned material now (given that it is 30 years old) and relays have come a long way since then.
What it does do is give you all the CTC hands from BW in a format to test your bidding - and that is useful.
Some of the decisions in auctions he recommends are rather double-dummy but the sheer array of different asking bids and relays is vast (albeit more economically useful in other formats eg symmetric relay with many relay breaks using asking bids from Danielson).
The single greatest benefit he managed was to revise the 1D opening to be a utility bid which COULD be managed in competition by NOT making assumptions about D length etc.
The long-lasting features are many negative free bids (probably overtaken by transfers/Rubensohl in a modern setting) and some useful ideas over high level interference following amporphous openings (and some of the NT continuations which live on in the Italian top pairs' methods).
send me a PM if you are interested..
fred
Hi Fred
I have send you a PM. Very much interested.
Thanks.
Chris
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Posted 2008-October-23, 04:50
I have all those old Danielson pamphlets around somewhere also. I think part of the author's intent was to come up with a relay corresponding to every letter in the Greek alphabet--there were alpha, beta, gamma, etc, going right on through iota, zeta, and omega, IIRC. It was almost as if the philosophy was "if there's a Greek letter we haven't used yet, then the system must not be complete!"
The one concept of his that I really took a shine to, was the use of the one heart relay as some sort of artificial force--although I think my crowd and I use it for some different hand types than Danielson suggested. We use a second round 1♥ call by opener to show either one-suiters in hearts, or two-suiters with hearts as one of the primary suits, or certain big balanced notrump hands. Responder bids 1♠ about 97% of the time, and opener would let partner in on the story on the third round. Responder is allowed to break the relay only with very weak hands with a long suit, suggesting that it may be time to slam on the brakes.
The one concept of his that I really took a shine to, was the use of the one heart relay as some sort of artificial force--although I think my crowd and I use it for some different hand types than Danielson suggested. We use a second round 1♥ call by opener to show either one-suiters in hearts, or two-suiters with hearts as one of the primary suits, or certain big balanced notrump hands. Responder bids 1♠ about 97% of the time, and opener would let partner in on the story on the third round. Responder is allowed to break the relay only with very weak hands with a long suit, suggesting that it may be time to slam on the brakes.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 08:43
Impact, on Oct 2 2008, 04:09 AM, said:
Well, I have a copy of them....
It is largely old-fashioned material now (given that it is 30 years old) and relays have come a long way since then.
What it does do is give you all the CTC hands from BW in a format to test your bidding - and that is useful.
Some of the decisions in auctions he recommends are rather double-dummy but the sheer array of different asking bids and relays is vast (albeit more economically useful in other formats eg symmetric relay with many relay breaks using asking bids from Danielson).
The single greatest benefit he managed was to revise the 1D opening to be a utility bid which COULD be managed in competition by NOT making assumptions about D length etc.
The long-lasting features are many negative free bids (probably overtaken by transfers/Rubensohl in a modern setting) and some useful ideas over high level interference following amporphous openings (and some of the NT continuations which live on in the Italian top pairs' methods).
send me a PM if you are interested..
fred
It is largely old-fashioned material now (given that it is 30 years old) and relays have come a long way since then.
What it does do is give you all the CTC hands from BW in a format to test your bidding - and that is useful.
Some of the decisions in auctions he recommends are rather double-dummy but the sheer array of different asking bids and relays is vast (albeit more economically useful in other formats eg symmetric relay with many relay breaks using asking bids from Danielson).
The single greatest benefit he managed was to revise the 1D opening to be a utility bid which COULD be managed in competition by NOT making assumptions about D length etc.
The long-lasting features are many negative free bids (probably overtaken by transfers/Rubensohl in a modern setting) and some useful ideas over high level interference following amporphous openings (and some of the NT continuations which live on in the Italian top pairs' methods).
send me a PM if you are interested..
fred
Hi Fred
I have send you a PM. Thanks.
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