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Posted 2008-August-09, 03:37
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Posted 2008-August-09, 04:09
If I'm me, I bid 4H. I allow points for good declarer play.
If I'm you, I pass and hope I don't get doubled!!
On a more serious note, whether or not I bid 4 depends greatly on my table presence. If this at a tuppence ha'penny club game with LOLs on both sides etc, I will bid 4 every single time. If I'm playing against FG in the (instert high level pairs competition here) I would pass this immediately.
I guess my methods might come into play here as well. If I usually open light (and partner is aware of this) then 3H should be full strength, and vice versa. If partner has an ability to make a mixed raise (e.g. Bergen) then this may influence matters as well. Whether or not I'm playing weak/strong NT also affects things.
If I'm you, I pass and hope I don't get doubled!!
On a more serious note, whether or not I bid 4 depends greatly on my table presence. If this at a tuppence ha'penny club game with LOLs on both sides etc, I will bid 4 every single time. If I'm playing against FG in the (instert high level pairs competition here) I would pass this immediately.
I guess my methods might come into play here as well. If I usually open light (and partner is aware of this) then 3H should be full strength, and vice versa. If partner has an ability to make a mixed raise (e.g. Bergen) then this may influence matters as well. Whether or not I'm playing weak/strong NT also affects things.
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Posted 2008-August-09, 07:09
mr1303, on Aug 9 2008, 05:09 AM, said:
On a more serious note, whether or not I bid 4 depends greatly on my table presence. If this at a tuppence ha'penny club game with LOLs on both sides etc, I will bid 4 every single time. If I'm playing against FG in the (instert high level pairs competition here) I would pass this immediately.
I would do it the other way around.
Against LOL's, I want to go with the field and pass. I will get a top if I get a trick more than anyone else, whether that is for 170 vs 140 for the rest or for 140 vs -50 for the rest. I will definitely not bid 4♥ and risking an average for -50 in 4♥ when the field is -50 in 3♥.
Againt FG, I 'know' that I will have a bad board anyway. If I follow the field, I am sure to get a trick less than the rest and I will have a bottom. I might bid 4♥, I am likely going to get a bottom too, but there is a chance that I can take 10 tricks (when there are 11 available) and my 420 will beat all the 200's.
Other than that, I agree with Justin that this is a clear pass and not even close.
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Posted 2008-August-09, 09:54
Agree with the pass-not-close. Using losing trick count to evaluate the hand suggests that as far as playing strength goes, there's nothing extra as an opener (and in fact, it's on the poor side). Unsupported minor honors in the short suits aren't helping it.
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Q: What's the difference between MPs and IMPs?
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Posted 2008-August-09, 14:59
Pass. This looks like a non-problem, to me. Unless your 1-openings start at 10HCP, this is a minimum hand, nothing to add.
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Posted 2008-August-09, 21:59
Jlall, on Aug 9 2008, 01:06 PM, said:
At MP this is a pass and it's not close.
Ok, cool. I have a habit of persuading myself I've done the wrong thing/had a close decision after whatever I've done hasn't worked out.
Pard's hand is AK Jxxx xxx Kxxx (fairly pipless), is missing a decent game here just one-of-those-things?
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Posted 2008-August-09, 22:07
MickyB, on Aug 9 2008, 10:59 PM, said:
Pard's hand is AK Jxxx xxx Kxxx (fairly pipless), is missing a decent game here just one-of-those-things?
Yes. Every HCP in your hands is working, and partner had 4 clubs.
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Posted 2008-August-09, 22:37
MickyB, on Aug 9 2008, 04:37 AM, said:
Scoring: MP
1♥ (P)3♥(P)
1♥ shows 5, 3♥ shows a four-card LR
Thoughts?
1♥ (P)3♥(P)
1♥ shows 5, 3♥ shows a four-card LR
Thoughts?
if limit raise shows 12-13 support pts...8 loser hand type I will rebid 3nt(choice of games).
If less I pass.
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Posted 2008-August-10, 05:43
Pass.
Playing IMPs I would pass as well, but I think
I would not be very happy with my decision.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Playing IMPs I would pass as well, but I think
I would not be very happy with my decision.
With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-August-10, 05:46
MickyB, on Aug 9 2008, 10:59 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 9 2008, 01:06 PM, said:
At MP this is a pass and it's not close.
Ok, cool. I have a habit of persuading myself I've done the wrong thing/had a close decision after whatever I've done hasn't worked out.
Pard's hand is AK Jxxx xxx Kxxx (fairly pipless), is missing a decent game here just one-of-those-things?
Yes.
AK oppossite Qxx is just one example why the hand
fits very well, Kxxx oppossite Qx another.
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Posted 2008-August-10, 06:11
pass in sleep ; going off in 3 is more likely than making 4 imho
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Posted 2008-August-11, 00:18
Even with my light opening style, this is a clearcut pass.
It's 7.5 losers - not close to accepting.
It's 7.5 losers - not close to accepting.
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Posted 2008-August-11, 04:30
I bid game way too much in these situations and play MP too much like IMP. That said, even for me, I'd pass this one in an instant. A 7 ltc 5332 with 3 Q including a Qx and only average spots is not worth an accept.
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Posted 2008-August-11, 23:37
Pass WTP
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Posted 2008-August-15, 05:39
What's the problem? The problem is that you are playing in a part score when game is rather good.
Pass probably is percentage on the auction given. It helps if Responder can show a limit raise at a lower level, giving Opener room to make a game try.
For the record, 116 pairs bid game, 88 stopped in part score.
Pass probably is percentage on the auction given. It helps if Responder can show a limit raise at a lower level, giving Opener room to make a game try.
For the record, 116 pairs bid game, 88 stopped in part score.
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Posted 2008-August-15, 07:32
MickyB, on Aug 9 2008, 10:59 PM, said:
Pard's hand is AK Jxxx xxx Kxxx (fairly pipless), is missing a decent game here just one-of-those-things?
This hand is not a limit raise, imo.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2008-August-15, 07:40
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For the record, 116 pairs bid game, 88 stopped in part score.
Sounds like Brighton. I think the answer to the question depends on too many things we don't know, like our opening style and our invite style.
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1♥ (P)3♥(P)
1♥ shows 5, 3♥ shows a four-card LR
Thoughts?