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#21 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2008-August-08, 21:51

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Why can't partner be ♠AKQxx ♥Kxx
He can but with this hand he will go on anyway.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 21:53

benlessard, on Aug 8 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

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Why can't partner be ♠AKQxx ♥Kxx
He can but with this hand he will go on anyway.

AKQxx Kxx xxx xx? Not my partner I hope. How much less do you think he is cuebidding with?
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Posted 2008-August-09, 02:40

han, on Aug 6 2008, 07:10 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1S - 2D
2S - 4C - (dbl)
4H - ??


Your call?

As I see it, the problem with RKC isn't getting into a bad slam, it's not getting into a good one.

If we're not off two keycards, partner must have something resembling a trick outside his AKQxx of spades. He did bid 4 hearts.

The problem is, if partner has something like AKJxxx in spades, and something resmbling a trick.

I'd go for the keycard anyway, as partner will sometimes bid AKJxxx as if he had the queen.

The alternative could be 5 if it asked partner to raise only with solid thrumps. I wouldn't dare bid it without a specific agreement.

An aside: Is it obvious that 4 is a splinter? Why is it not just a cue? What do you bid with a hand that is simply to god for a direct 4? And what would 4 have been?
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Posted 2008-August-09, 10:02

OleBerg, on Aug 9 2008, 03:40 AM, said:

han, on Aug 6 2008, 07:10 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1S - 2D
2S - 4C - (dbl)
4H - ??


Your call?

As I see it, the problem with RKC isn't getting into a bad slam, it's not getting into a good one.

If we're not off two keycards, partner must have something resembling a trick outside his AKQxx of spades. He did bid 4 hearts.

The problem is, if partner has something like AKJxxx in spades, and something resmbling a trick.

I'd go for the keycard anyway, as partner will sometimes bid AKJxxx as if he had the queen.

The alternative could be 5 if it asked partner to raise only with solid thrumps. I wouldn't dare bid it without a specific agreement.

An aside: Is it obvious that 4 is a splinter? Why is it not just a cue? What do you bid with a hand that is simply to god for a direct 4? And what would 4 have been?

With respect to the last questions, with a hand too good for 4, I'd bid 3, inviting partner to cue. In my regular partnerships, 4 would be a splinter as well. As for what's obvious in a pick-up partnership...hard to say, but I would have taken 4 as a splinter. One of the "treatment" discussions I try to have with pickup partners is that bidding one level higher than a natural, forcing bid in a suit is a splinter. 3 and 3 are natural and forcing, so 4 and 4 are splinters. 3 is stronger than 4 on general principles.
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Posted 2008-August-09, 10:17

So, what would be the difference between RKCB and a direct 5S bid here?
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Posted 2008-August-09, 10:35

can live with 4s or rkc now.

On the one hand I have a nice duke on the other I did bid 2/1 and then 4c.
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Posted 2008-August-09, 11:54

Lobowolf, on Aug 9 2008, 06:02 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Aug 9 2008, 03:40 AM, said:

han, on Aug 6 2008, 07:10 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1S - 2D
2S - 4C - (dbl)
4H - ??


Your call?

As I see it, the problem with RKC isn't getting into a bad slam, it's not getting into a good one.

If we're not off two keycards, partner must have something resembling a trick outside his AKQxx of spades. He did bid 4 hearts.

The problem is, if partner has something like AKJxxx in spades, and something resmbling a trick.

I'd go for the keycard anyway, as partner will sometimes bid AKJxxx as if he had the queen.

The alternative could be 5 if it asked partner to raise only with solid thrumps. I wouldn't dare bid it without a specific agreement.

An aside: Is it obvious that 4 is a splinter? Why is it not just a cue? What do you bid with a hand that is simply to god for a direct 4? And what would 4 have been?

With respect to the last questions, with a hand too good for 4, I'd bid 3, inviting partner to cue. In my regular partnerships, 4 would be a splinter as well. As for what's obvious in a pick-up partnership...hard to say, but I would have taken 4 as a splinter. One of the "treatment" discussions I try to have with pickup partners is that bidding one level higher than a natural, forcing bid in a suit is a splinter. 3 and 3 are natural and forcing, so 4 and 4 are splinters. 3 is stronger than 4 on general principles.

Didn't consider that 3 wuld be forcing in 2/1. Now I know, thx.
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