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Poll: Your Choice? (88 member(s) have cast votes)

Your Choice?

  1. 1H (4 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  2. 2H (18 votes [20.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.45%

  3. 3H (45 votes [51.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.14%

  4. Ken Rexford (21 votes [23.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.86%

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#21 User is offline   jdonn 

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Posted 2008-August-11, 10:27

awm, on Aug 11 2008, 10:15 AM, said:

3NT, showing 6+♥ and a 5+ minor with a weak hand. Yes I actually play this convention.

What a fix it would be to come up against you on this hand lol. Unless of course you were just going for a number on the 4 level B)
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Posted 2008-August-11, 14:58

jdonn, on Aug 11 2008, 11:27 AM, said:

awm, on Aug 11 2008, 10:15 AM, said:

3NT, showing 6+♥ and a 5+ minor with a weak hand. Yes I actually play this convention.

What a fix it would be to come up against you on this hand lol. Unless of course you were just going for a number on the 4 level :)

tbh I would be happy to be playing against someone who opens this hand with a bid that forces them to the 4 level red/white. Even if I played Adam's convention I think it is kamikaze to use it at these colors (but would be happy to be playing it at other colors!).
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Posted 2008-August-11, 15:27

If the ♦ were ♣ this is an obvious 1NT, but as it is I choose 3♥.
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Posted 2008-August-12, 03:07

I feel that generally when given the choice between:

(1) Showing a two-suiter as a one-suiter at a particular level.
(2) Showing both suits a level higher

That the second option is likely to be more effective. Note the strong support for 3♥ on this particular hand.

Admittedly there are some hands where it's a true misfit and opening at the four-level (effectively) will cause me to go for a number... but there is another set of hands (perhaps of comparable size) where the 3♥ bidders go for a number but opening 3NT gets me to the substantially safer 4♦. And there is also a set of hands where preempting 3NT instead of 3♥ gives the opponents more trouble (i.e. they have to bid 4♠ instead of 3♠).
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Posted 2008-August-13, 10:10

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Posted 2008-August-13, 10:17

awm, on Aug 12 2008, 04:07 AM, said:

Admittedly there are some hands where it's a true misfit and opening at the four-level (effectively) will cause me to go for a number... but there is another set of hands (perhaps of comparable size) where the 3♥ bidders go for a number but opening 3NT gets me to the substantially safer 4♦.

There is no way that's true when your hearts are KQJ9xx and diamonds Qxxxx. The set of hands you describe must be very small indeed. Also many of the hands that could take 3♥ for a number will simply bid 3NT.

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And there is also a set of hands where preempting 3NT instead of 3♥ gives the opponents more trouble (i.e. they have to bid 4♠ instead of 3♠).

That part is definitely true, but it's also true of simply opening 4♥ (even moreso). Your risk is not much less than that with the very slight odds hearts play worse than diamonds, and given how much easier it is to penalize after an artificial opening your risk might be even greater than opening 4♥!
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Posted 2008-August-13, 11:22

jdonn, on Aug 6 2008, 05:50 PM, said:

5♥

♥♥♥♥♥

2♥ for me. At equal I'd open 3. At green I might even open 4.
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