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♠QJTxx ♥Qxx ♦x ♣KQxx. Matchpoints, all white, playing against classical precision (a Chinese women pair at the LMPs, so probably extremely good).
LHO opens 1♥, P P and 1♠ by you. The auction accelerates to incredible heights as LHO rebids 2♥, partner raises to 2♠, and RHO comes up with 3♦.
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Three over three?!?!
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Posted 2008-August-05, 11:47
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Posted 2008-August-05, 11:49
No. Arend, I am very surprised you have never heard of the law of total tricks!
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:02
I pass at these dizzying heights.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:14
They will see us waving from such great
Heights, 'come down now,' they'll say
But everything looks perfect from far away,
'come down now,' but we'll stay...
Heights, 'come down now,' they'll say
But everything looks perfect from far away,
'come down now,' but we'll stay...
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:28
I'd pass because the hand is terrible. Partner is also aware of the vulnerability and scoring.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:35
If LHO has 7H im probably happy they play 3D instead of 3H. If LHO has 6H then I can lose 3H, 1D, 1C & 2S. Partner is favorite to have 2 cover (esp since its a limited 1H) unless hes got major wastage in D. I dont think 3D is going down often. So a confident 3S seems correct. But its a close call.
What im wondering however is why RHO didnt make a 3D preempt on round 1 but is willing to compete after 2S.
What im wondering however is why RHO didnt make a 3D preempt on round 1 but is willing to compete after 2S.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:40
I don't know what a direct 3D would have meant for them.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:55
Rather than bid my same minimal values twice, I pass and wait for PD's input.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 12:56
I pass smoothly so that my partner isn't barred.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 13:43
I can't imagine bidding here.
We may have allowed the opps to improve the partscore (130 rather than 110 or 150 rather than 140) but we can't panic on that account... it's not as if anyone in the LMP is likely to pass out 1♥, even if the auction goes the same way on the first round.
We have a partner. Let partner earn his keep, if it is right to bid 3♠. And if we get a bad board? So what. Masterminding, and 3♠ strikes me as masterminding, is a recipe for a lot of bad boards.
We may have allowed the opps to improve the partscore (130 rather than 110 or 150 rather than 140) but we can't panic on that account... it's not as if anyone in the LMP is likely to pass out 1♥, even if the auction goes the same way on the first round.
We have a partner. Let partner earn his keep, if it is right to bid 3♠. And if we get a bad board? So what. Masterminding, and 3♠ strikes me as masterminding, is a recipe for a lot of bad boards.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 14:49
you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 14:55
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 02:49 PM, said:
you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol.
Why does RHO have a stiff or void?
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Posted 2008-August-05, 14:57
cherdano, on Aug 5 2008, 03:55 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 02:49 PM, said:
you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol.
Why does RHO have a stiff or void?
I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise.
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Posted 2008-August-05, 15:40
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 03:57 PM, said:
cherdano, on Aug 5 2008, 03:55 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 02:49 PM, said:
you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol.
Why does RHO have a stiff or void?
I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise.
I strongly disagree. If I held xx QJ109xxx in the reds, I'd always bid 3♦ rather than 3♥
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Posted 2008-August-05, 16:02
mikeh, on Aug 5 2008, 04:40 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 03:57 PM, said:
cherdano, on Aug 5 2008, 03:55 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 02:49 PM, said:
you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol.
Why does RHO have a stiff or void?
I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise.
I strongly disagree. If I held xx QJ109xxx in the reds, I'd always bid 3♦ rather than 3♥
Why does your statement mean that you strongly disagree with my statement?
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Posted 2008-August-05, 16:29
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 02:57 PM, said:
cherdano, on Aug 5 2008, 03:55 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 02:49 PM, said:
you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol.
Why does RHO have a stiff or void?
I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise.
Well, OTOH there are many hands that would pass out 2♠ with singleton in hearts, but bid 3♦ with a doubleton (and one fewer black card).
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Posted 2008-August-07, 01:17
Results: Partner had Axx xx AJx Txxxx, RHO had xx T9 KQT9xxx Jx. Both 3♦ and 3♠ make. -110 was not a good score.
Yes nobody I know would pass the first round with RHO's hand, but as I said they were playing classical precision.
At the table, I passed, and it seemed rather clear. On reflection, I am not so sure anymore. I suppose if RHO has a doubleton heart, it will be right to bid more often than not (they very likely have a double fit in that case).
Yes nobody I know would pass the first round with RHO's hand, but as I said they were playing classical precision.
At the table, I passed, and it seemed rather clear. On reflection, I am not so sure anymore. I suppose if RHO has a doubleton heart, it will be right to bid more often than not (they very likely have a double fit in that case).
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Posted 2008-August-07, 05:56
cherdano, on Aug 5 2008, 05:29 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 02:57 PM, said:
cherdano, on Aug 5 2008, 03:55 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 5 2008, 02:49 PM, said:
you have Qxx of hearts and RHO has a stiff or void... lol.
Why does RHO have a stiff or void?
I know the hand fwiw but being objective you have to assume RHO has short hearts when they don't raise hearts after their partner has bid them twice. Even if that was not true on the actual hand it must be a huge favorite since most hands with 2 hearts would just raise.
Well, OTOH there are many hands that would pass out 2♠ with singleton in hearts, but bid 3♦ with a doubleton (and one fewer black card).
I don't agree. I would expect them to bid every single time they had 7 diamonds. With 6 diamonds and 2 hearts I would expect them to often raise hearts, and sometimes pass, and occasionally bid 3D and with 6 diamonds and short hearts I would expect them to often bid 3D and sometimes pass. I cannot think of any hand where they would bid 3D because they had a doubleton heart but would pass if they had a stiff heart. If it exists it must surely be a tiny subset of hands.
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Posted 2008-August-07, 19:03
Pass. Give partner a chance and let partner know his/her input is valuable.
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Posted 2008-August-08, 15:24
neilkaz, on Aug 5 2008, 01:55 PM, said:
Rather than bid my same minimal values twice, I pass and wait for PD's input.
A 6 1/2 loser 10-count is nowhere near "minimal values" for my non-vulnerable balances.
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