[cherdano]

jtfanclub, on Aug 1 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 1 2008, 06:26 PM, said:

Sigh.

You seem to have forgotten PARTNER ALREADY PASSED!

Not to mention, you calculate his points by automatically giving the 3♥ opener the KQ of hearts and nothing else.

Not to mention, when your long suit has no hope of being set up you will need more than usual to make 3NT.

Would you change your mind if your hearts were AJT987?

It would change mine. Having 4 heart tricks in 3N rather than 1 heart trick seems quite a difference.

[Edmunte1]

[quote name='jdonn' date='Aug 1 2008, 06:26 PM'] Sigh.

You seem to have forgotten PARTNER ALREADY PASSED!

Not to mention, you calculate his points by automatically giving the 3[he] opener the KQ of hearts and nothing else.

Not to mention, when your long suit has no hope of being set up you will need more than usual to make 3NT. [/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
Sigh

No, i didn't forgot that partner passed, nor that the preemptor can have another Quenn or King or so, not the fact that USUALLY we need more than usual to make 3NT (we lack suits). It was an analysys based on an average scenario.

BUT
- I also didn't take into account a lot of scenarios where we make game 3NT/4[sp] with much less. For example:

7 carders:
[sp]Qxxxxxx -- xxx xxx - 2hcp
xxx -- xxx KJxxxxx - 4hcp
xxx -- KQxxxxx xxx -5 hcp

6 carders:
[sp]QJxxxx -- Qxxx xx -5hcp
[sp]QJxxxx -- xxxx Kxx -6hcp
xxxx -- AQxxxx xxx - 6 hcp
Qxxx -- Axxxxx xxx -6hcp
etc.

So many times partner will provide a long suit for us. I'll look carefully at the full part of the glass before "sigh''-ing.

[jdonn]

You missed my point entirely. Reread my last post, and instead of applying it to your conclusions, apply it to your mathematical results, specifically the strength you are allocating to partner and his probable shapes.

[jvage]

I remember this board, I had the 3037 hand (we were not at the BBO table this round). I tried to pass in tempo, not to put restrictions on partner. When he went into a short tank before passing in the passout seat I knew it would have been correct to bid. Neither player was unhappy with partner, but we both knew it would be a bad board.

Since several have commented that they were hoping for a duplicated result from the other table, I can repeat that this was from the pairs final. +250 scored as expected around 20-25% in a relatively strong field (which means that almost half the tables duplicated our result, while the majority scored better).

John