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Showing 55M after pard opens 1nt there's still some blanks on my CC ;-)

#21 User is offline   jtfanclub 

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Posted 2008-July-29, 09:39

jillybean2, on Jul 29 2008, 12:20 AM, said:

Thats nice but what do you do with 5521 hands?

If invitational, 1NT-2♦-2♥-2♠, which we play as not forcing*.
If GF, 1NT-2♥-2♠-3♥.

*playing it as F1 doesn't hurt anything.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 02:33

Does anybody play 1NT 2C 2D 2S as absolutely nothing 54 and was hoping to pass a major response?
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Posted 2008-July-30, 06:34

Quantumcat, on Jul 30 2008, 03:33 AM, said:

Does anybody play 1NT 2C 2D 2S as absolutely nothing 54 and was hoping to pass a major response?

Really old people. (Just kidding, but it is rather antequated an idea. LOL)
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Posted 2008-July-30, 07:37

kenrexford, on Jul 30 2008, 07:34 AM, said:

Quantumcat, on Jul 30 2008, 03:33 AM, said:

Does anybody play 1NT 2C 2D 2S as absolutely nothing 54 and was hoping to pass a major response?

Really old people. (Just kidding, but it is rather antequated an idea. LOL)

I have never heard of this.

The original very old-fashioned treatment was that 2♣ followed by 2 of either major was invitational with 5 of the bid major.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 07:39

Next question; for those using 1N:2♥ 2♠:3♥ as 55gf how does opener
proceed with slam interest?
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Posted 2008-July-30, 08:42

Cue bid. Is 3NT needed as natural, to play, on this auction? I don't think so. So 3NT could be 6 Ace RKCB (since responder is known to be 55). Game bids in a major would be sign offs. Not sure what you should do with 4NT, unless you need 3NT to be to play.

I'm not sure an opener who has limited his hand should be making a slam try beyond game.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 11:41

I think is useful for opener to be able to show slam possibility below game. With a flat, min NT opening we can just sign off in 4M.

Someone, Im sure will correct me but I don’t see any significant advantage between 1N:3♠* and 1N:2♥ 2♠:3♥

After 1n:2♥ 2♠:3♥ opener must bid 3♠ or 4♣♦ to identify the major and show slam interest.
There is more space available to investigate a ♠ slam as responder can cue ♣ but the first method appears to be a little less taxing on aging brain cells.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 11:45

jillybean2, on Jul 30 2008, 07:39 AM, said:

Next question; for those using 1N:2♥ 2♠:3♥ as 55gf how does opener
proceed with slam interest?

He would give a preference to 3♠ with 3 spades and slam interest, and make a cue with a heart fit and slam interest.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 12:06

jillybean2, on Jul 30 2008, 12:41 PM, said:

Someone, Im sure will correct me but I don’t see any significant advantage between 1N:3♠* and 1N:2♥ 2♠:3♥

1. The 3♥ bid is lower.
2. The 1NT-3♠ gets rid of a useful response below 3NT, while there's not really an althernative good purpose for 1NT-2♥-2♠-3♥.
3. Opener can super-accept over 2♥, which can set trump much lower and allow you to explore for grand slam.

Is there any significant advantage to not using 2♥ then 3♥ for the GF both majors?
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Posted 2008-July-30, 12:41

kenrexford, on Jul 30 2008, 01:34 PM, said:

Quantumcat, on Jul 30 2008, 03:33 AM, said:

Does anybody play 1NT 2C 2D 2S as absolutely nothing 54 and was hoping to pass a major response?

Really old people. (Just kidding, but it is rather antequated an idea. LOL)

Virtually everyone in England not playing fancy methods (i.e. it's the default meaning of the sequence)
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