[gwnn]

7xxxx
xx
Kxxx
xx

1♦-2♣-p-3♣
x-xx-?

1♦ is standard (4+ or 4432), everybody is vulnerable @imps and -to some extent- good players.

[Apollo81]

My first thought was to go for the "safety" of the diamond fit, but really opener could be 4432 here. 3♠ for me.

[ArtK78]

I bid what I would have bid had RHO not redoubled - 3♠.

I am tempted to say "WTP?"

[effervesce]

Without the XX I think I would have bid 4♠. Pard should have a good hand since you could have nothing. After the XX, I guess I'd settle for 3♠.

[ArcLight]

Apollo81, on Jul 24 2008, 04:54 PM, said:

My first thought was to go for the "safety" of the diamond fit, but really opener could be 4432 here. 3♠ for me.

With 4432 shape, pard should have 18-19 HCP since he didnt open 1NT and with 12-14 I dont think he should be going to the 3 level. With 22 HCP he opens 2 Clubs.
3342? Same thing. Open 1NT unless 18-19.

Maybe Advancer has a poor hand and 4 Clubs, and decided a 1 level raise was sufficient, so pard may have a stiff Club.
4441 or 3451?

The spades are horrible.

I bid 3 Dimes.

[gnasher]

In this sort of auction you're usually 4=3=3=3, so this is a nice problem to have.

I agree with Apollo81 that partner might be 4=4=3=2, so I bid 3♠. When partner doubled he knew I might have to bid 3♠ on a four-card suit; as I have five I can bid them with confidence.

I'm not going to take much notice of RHO's redouble. He didn't make a takeout double of 1♦, so it's unlikely that he has four spades.

[maxentius]

a faster 4♠...not only because I know the board ...but my partner call me to play at 3-rd level...sometimes I could have xxx,xxx,xxx,xxxx and then I would bid 3♦ or xxxx,xxx,xx,xxxx and then I would bid 3♠...now I have 5 suit cards and another 4 good ♦ cards for us

[mcphee]

We may make 4S should we be so fortunate to find dear partner with 4 of them along with what appears to be a stiff C, although 2 is possible. So to me this is really the question, 3S or 4. I do not expect partner to not hold real D and doubt the hand is balanced. They may even hold 3-3-6-1. There are many hand shapes partner may have that will give 4S a good play, if I bid a simple 3S it will be impossible really for partner to raise when we do have a game that is cold. This is imps and I believe we owe it to partner to bid 4S, 3 is a distant second choice.

[Edmunte1]

I think that partner wouldn't have doubled with doublton in clubs, so 4441 or (34)51 or 4450 seems the most probable shapes for his double. The normal question is:
do we have enough to drive to game vs. a normal minimum double for his bid. I constructed possible 4 minimum hands for partner's bid (considering perfect shape if minimum):

-Kxxx AKxx AQJx x
-KQxx KQxx AQJx x
-AKxx Kxxx AQJx x
-AKxx AQJx QJxx x

and on almost of all them we have game chances, so 4♠ seems a normal choice.

Another point of view: you cannot have xxxxx xxx xx xxx or so because you'll pass and corect 3♦ to 3♠, so any free bid should show some constructive values, but 5th spade and a usefull King are enough reasons for bidding the game.

[jtfanclub]

Edmunte1, on Jul 28 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

I think that partner wouldn't have doubled with doublton in clubs, so 4441 or (34)51 or 4450 seems the most probable shapes for his double.

Why can't partner have an 3352 18 count, with no real club stop? How else does he bid it?

[Edmunte1]

jtfanclub, on Jul 28 2008, 11:54 AM, said:

Edmunte1, on Jul 28 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

I think that partner wouldn't have doubled with doublton in clubs, so 4441 or (34)51 or 4450 seems the most probable shapes for his double.

Why can't partner have an 3352 18 count, with no real club stop? How else does he bid it?

Pass seems pretty normal, as long as:
- normally game it's not in the picture (too many losers)
- you best fit it's usually 8 card, and you're bidding 3 over 3
- bidding could be dangerous (you're red) if partner is broke

[mikeh]

Interesting topic for discussion with partner: what would pass (by us, now) mean?

Of course, that is a discussion for after the hand, and after a bid by us, since we surely don't want to discover that partner felt (reasonably enough) that pass was penalty.

I don't think it is close... this hand is spades, not diamonds, altho we almost certainly have a double fit.... no matter what pass by us would have meant, a voluntary spade bid is more likely to reach a decent game contract than a mere 3♦. I think the hand is probably worth about 3.37832 spades, but I appreciate that others may disagree with the last couple of digits.

[jdonn]

I certainly think 3♠ is enough. The argument that we could have had xxxx xxx xxx xxx or something is totally silly since partner is never bidding on the basis that we could have that hand, it's way too pessimistic. Partner doubles hoping we will have just a little something to make 3, so to me this hand is very little extra. Partner will still raise most of our good games, he is never playing us for 0 help.

[gwnn]

pard has a strong 4441, making 4♠ easy, in fact, he'll definitely raise 3♠ as long as we bid it, the redouble (which was sort of a joke) notwithstanding, but of course pass 3♦

[maxentius]

he will defenitevely raise ??????????????????????????...it is a joke, I suppose

[maxentius]

Also, maybe I really think in a deferently way, why the pas doesn't means something?...if the opener who doubled with 4441 will try to escape yourself?...he already informed the partner about a kind of shape and about a strong hand...why would be impossible to play 3♣ redoubled?...in my oppinion the PASS in 3♣redouble means that I would like to play it...if not, I HAVE TO bid something

[gwnn]

maxentius, on Jul 30 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

he will defenitevely raise ??????????????????????????...it is a joke, I suppose

AKQJ
Kxxx
AQxx
x

1♦-2♣-p-3♣
X-XX-3♠-p
?

All vulnerable imp's

[nige1]

gwnn, on Jul 24 2008, 02:00 PM, said:

♠ 7xxxx ♥ xx ♦ Kxxx ♣ xx
1♦ (2♣) _P (3♣)
_X (XX) ??
1♦ is standard (4+ or 4432), everybody is vulnerable @imps and -to some extent- good players.

IMO XXX = 11 3♠ = 10, 3♦ = 8, _P = 0.

[jdeegan]

3♦ for safety, imho. Might easily be wrong, but I think one has to always ignore the possibility of the 4-4-3-2 hand. It is against the odds. Any 5-3 ♠ fit is likely not good unless pard is AKx.

[skjaeran]

Easy 3♠ for me. 4♠ if I'm a little deperate.