Is there a common meaning for responder cue bidding overcaller's suit in the first round of bidding, e.g.
1♦ 1♥ 2♥ ?
I play acol and don't recall seeing this type of sequence at acol tables, but have seen it played on boards elsewhere in bbo - curious as to what it means.
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Simple cue bid q
#2
Posted 2008-July-21, 06:40
It is called an unassuming cue bid and suggests a strong raise (limit or better) in openers suit (minimum 10 points and 4 card support). It is often played that way in acol too.
#3
Posted 2008-July-21, 07:30
Thanks Boris - I'm familiar with the UCB in response to partner's overcall, but hadn't seen it in response to an opening bid from p.
So how does this bid compare with a limit raise in acol, say 1♥ 2♣ 3♣ versus 1♥ 2 ♣ 3 ♥ both showing 10+ points and 4 card support? Is it the same idea of freeing up the natural bid to show a weak, pre-emptive type hand?
So how does this bid compare with a limit raise in acol, say 1♥ 2♣ 3♣ versus 1♥ 2 ♣ 3 ♥ both showing 10+ points and 4 card support? Is it the same idea of freeing up the natural bid to show a weak, pre-emptive type hand?
#4
Posted 2008-July-21, 08:06
One style is to play the cuebid as limit+ and let the jump raise be weak.
Another style is to let the cuebid be a game force and let the jump raise be a limit raise, as it would be without interference.
I think the first style is more common nowadays.
Another style is to let the cuebid be a game force and let the jump raise be a limit raise, as it would be without interference.
I think the first style is more common nowadays.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
#5
Posted 2008-July-21, 10:08
Hi,
there is one big difference:
If we have opened, the UCB shows a fit, if we just overcalled,
the UCB just shows a fit if the hand, which made the UCB is
min. for the bid, i.e.
1H - (1S) - 2S (1)
(1) shows a fit
(1D) - 1H - (Pass) - 2D (2)
(2) shows either a inv.+ hand with fit or a arbitary
hand with game forcing values
The reason for the difference:
Change of suit after we opened is quite commoly played as forcing,
additionally you have a neg. X available, change of suit after we
overcalled is quite commoly played as forcing (depends a little where
you live) and you dont have a neg. X available.
With kind regards
Marlowe
there is one big difference:
If we have opened, the UCB shows a fit, if we just overcalled,
the UCB just shows a fit if the hand, which made the UCB is
min. for the bid, i.e.
1H - (1S) - 2S (1)
(1) shows a fit
(1D) - 1H - (Pass) - 2D (2)
(2) shows either a inv.+ hand with fit or a arbitary
hand with game forcing values
The reason for the difference:
Change of suit after we opened is quite commoly played as forcing,
additionally you have a neg. X available, change of suit after we
overcalled is quite commoly played as forcing (depends a little where
you live) and you dont have a neg. X available.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#6
Posted 2008-July-21, 10:12
cue raises show fit and invitational or better values, and you dont have a FSJ or a splinter (or you do have one but are not good enough to force game).
It's good to play these since you can now play that jump raises are all pre-emptive.
When the opps double instead of overcall jump raises are still pre-emptive, and you use NT's to raise. (1NT simple raise, 2NT invitational etc) If you had a normal NT response, you can XX.
It's good to play these since you can now play that jump raises are all pre-emptive.
When the opps double instead of overcall jump raises are still pre-emptive, and you use NT's to raise. (1NT simple raise, 2NT invitational etc) If you had a normal NT response, you can XX.
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