[jillybean]

Dealer: East Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ KT9843 ♥ KQ8 ♦ 84 ♣ Q8

West North East South

 -     -     Pass  ?  

What is your preempt style and do you open 2♠ in 2nd position NV vs. V here?

[655321]

1♠

[rogerclee]

I would open 2♠, but my preferred style is to preempt very soundly in second seat at any colors (though this suit is pretty awful, the hand is ok). In a normal preempting style, I would consider this hand to be too strong for these colors.

[mike777]

second seat...


2s even at fav vul....

[ochinko]

2♠

KQ10xxx-KQx-xx-xx would be 1♠.

[dbsboy]

2♠, at any vul

I play very very wide-ranged preempts.

since this does not qualify for a 1S opening, so 2S it is

[kenrexford]

655321, on Jul 14 2008, 01:48 AM, said:

1♠

Almost. Maybe 1st seat. Definitely if the Queens were both internal. Not quite enough for me, though. Pass. The 1098 internal is VERY tempting, though. I would probably open this sometimes, in practice, even second seat.

[NickRW]

Well, I learnt the rule of 2/3/4 a long time ago. I can get quite frivolous about it in 3rd seat and will usually be tempted with a borderline hand in 1st. But I don't mess with 2nd seat and this isn't the six playing tricks required (for a multi 2♦ as I play it). Nor do I think this aceless hand is worth a 1 opener either. So pass for me.

[pclayton]

2♠. Not a one bid for me with a 6322.

[kgr]

rogerclee, on Jul 14 2008, 08:49 AM, said:

I would open 2♠, but my preferred style is to preempt very soundly in second seat at any colors (though this suit is pretty awful, the hand is ok).

agree

Quote

In a normal preempting style, I would consider this hand to be too strong for these colors.

I thought 2nd seat it was normal to preempt sound. (..maybe not as sound as this hand)

[jdonn]

PASS!!! wow answers are amazing to me...

[neilkaz]

Lousy suit...decent defence outside... 2nd seat so I prefer to pass.

I don't hate 2♠ but am passing and don't consider this aceless hand good enough for 1♠ playing 2/1 or sayc

[skjaeran]

Fits nicely into my weak twos; 8-11 hcp and 6-card suit.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

having agreed to open fairly sound and also to play
fairly disciplined preempts, I pass.

If I have to open, 2S it is.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Mbodell]

Playing limited openers I open 1♠. Playing standard it depends as this is right on the border of my strongest (hand strength) of 2♠ or my weakest of 1♠. I probably open 2♠ if I'm playing Ogust, but I'm not thrilled by it as I like to have 8 LTC hands, not 7 LTC hands, for a weak 2.

[Gerben42]

I certainly do not open 1♠, that's for sure. But partner won't expect this much for 2♠ either. Suit: Bad. Shape: Bad. Side values: Too many.

I guess I pass.

[jtfanclub]

I would open 2♠. Change the spots, I may change my mind.

[Quantumcat]

My p and I have the agreement that not opening a pre-empt means you haven't got one. We also don't open 10 counts @ 1 level unless easy to rebid: 2 good suits or an excellent 6 card one.

Therefore not good enough for 1 level, and have to pre-empt (since we have one).

[CSGibson]

2 spades unless not playing Ogust responses. Partner knows I bid on any excuse.

[fromageGB]

2♦ (multi) all the time.

I don't class the call as a preempt, but as a descriptor of the hand. It is defined for us as 6 card 6-10 points, and while "points" may be varied in the light of shape and other values, this hand clearly fits the bill.

One of a major we keep up to strength, defined as 5+ cards rule of 17 (points plus spade length) - add another spade and I would open 1♠ - so less than this with 6 cards is a multi.  Less than this with a 5 card suit we open 2♠, so that is defined as 8-11.  The tight definitions work well.