[jocdelevat]

Dealer: East Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠ KJT753 ♥ T ♦ QT8 ♣ KT4

West North East South

 -     -     1♣    ? 

1c by op describe as 12-17 unbalanced can be long club suit or 13-15 balanced.

[Winstonm]

Is this a joke? Depending on agreements, I bid 2S (first choice) or 1S (second choice.)

[jillybean]

I dont think this is a joke.
This is a 1♠ overcall, but not a 2♠ overcall as Ive finally learned

[Winstonm]

jillybean2, on Jul 5 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

I dont think this is a joke.
This is a 1♠ overcall, but not a 2♠ overcall  Ive finally learned 

I have to agree, JB, as I did not pay attention to the adverse vulnerability; however, I stand by my question of whether or not this is a joke if the question is bid or not bid.

(In fact, JB, I have strong feelings that intermediate jump overcalls are of higher value at adverse vul. - after all, at adverse, you are more likely to get preempted so it is more valuable to have better definition to the bid you do make.)

[MikeRJ]

2S if feeling aggressive, 1S feeling cautious. Never pass.

Mike

[jocdelevat]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     -     1♣
 2♠    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 Pass  


I bid 2s the other op x and all pass. ops made 10 tricks we got -1400 =lost 15.5imps
I asked just to be sure was not a horible bid as it did on this board.

[Winstonm]

jocdelevat, on Jul 5 2008, 09:28 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     -     1♣
 2♠    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 Pass  


I bid 2s the other op x and all pass. ops made 10 tricks we got -1400 =lost 15.5imps
I asked just to be sure was not a horible bid as it did on this board.

It was not terrible in any way - purely unlucky, although as Jilly pointed out (rightly so) you way wish to be a tad more cautious vul. versus NV.

[skjaeran]

Obvious 1♠♠ overcall at any vulnerability IMO.

Too much defence for 2♠. And also too good for 2♠.

[kenrexford]

1♠.

2♠, IMO, is best as intermediate when RvW.

1♠X also could have been passed out. Nice pass, Opener.

[jdonn]

Kind of unlucky that north made a negative double.

[andy_h]

1S. 2S Red vs white? *shudders*

[kgr]

Jlall, on Jul 6 2008, 05:41 AM, said:

Do NOT bid 2S with hands like these imo. Opening 2 and overcalling 2 is much different.

It sounds like ♠ are not strong enough.
...Is that what you meant?

[jdonn]

kgr, on Jul 7 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 6 2008, 05:41 AM, said:

Do NOT bid 2S with hands like these imo. Opening 2 and overcalling 2 is much different.

It sounds like ♠ are not strong enough.
...Is that what you meant?

I think he meant the hand has too much defense relative to offense. Look at the minors...

[pigpenz]

if he was gonna pass 2♠ doubled which is game, he most likely would pass 1♠doulbed which isnt game.....wasnt your lucky day

[neilkaz]

I would just overcall 1♠ here.

[the hog]

pigpenz, on Jul 11 2008, 08:43 AM, said:

if he was gonna pass 2♠ doubled which is game, he most likely would pass 1♠doulbed which isnt game.....wasnt your lucky day

Only if he is a total idiot. A 1S call is obvious on this hand.