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#1 User is offline   jocdelevat 

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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:25


Dealer: East
Vul: NS
Scoring: IMP
KJT753
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QT8
KT4


West North East South

 -     -     1    ? 


1c by op describe as 12-17 unbalanced can be long club suit or 13-15 balanced.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:27

Is this a joke? Depending on agreements, I bid 2S (first choice) or 1S (second choice.)
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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:32

I dont think this is a joke.
This is a 1 overcall, but not a 2 overcall as Ive finally learned :)
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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:37

jillybean2, on Jul 5 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

I dont think this is a joke.
This is a 1 overcall, but not a 2 overcall  Ive finally learned  :)

I have to agree, JB, as I did not pay attention to the adverse vulnerability; however, I stand by my question of whether or not this is a joke if the question is bid or not bid.

(In fact, JB, I have strong feelings that intermediate jump overcalls are of higher value at adverse vul. - after all, at adverse, you are more likely to get preempted so it is more valuable to have better definition to the bid you do make.)
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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:47

2S if feeling aggressive, 1S feeling cautious. Never pass.

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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:28


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     -     -     1
 2    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 Pass  



I bid 2s the other op x and all pass. ops made 10 tricks we got -1400 =lost 15.5imps
I asked just to be sure was not a horible bid as it did on this board.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 21:23

jocdelevat, on Jul 5 2008, 09:28 PM, said:


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West North East South

 -     -     -     1
 2    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 Pass  



I bid 2s the other op x and all pass. ops made 10 tricks we got -1400 =lost 15.5imps
I asked just to be sure was not a horible bid as it did on this board.

It was not terrible in any way - purely unlucky, although as Jilly pointed out (rightly so) you way wish to be a tad more cautious vul. versus NV.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 21:41

Do NOT bid 2S with hands like these imo. Opening 2 and overcalling 2 is much different.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 13:22

Obvious 1 overcall at any vulnerability IMO.

Too much defence for 2. And also too good for 2.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 14:25

1.

2, IMO, is best as intermediate when RvW.

1X also could have been passed out. Nice pass, Opener.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 14:31

Kind of unlucky that north made a negative double.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 02:23

1S. 2S Red vs white? *shudders*
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Posted 2008-July-07, 10:44

Jlall, on Jul 6 2008, 05:41 AM, said:

Do NOT bid 2S with hands like these imo. Opening 2 and overcalling 2 is much different.

It sounds like are not strong enough.
...Is that what you meant?
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Posted 2008-July-07, 21:01

kgr, on Jul 7 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 6 2008, 05:41 AM, said:

Do NOT bid 2S with hands like these imo. Opening 2 and overcalling 2 is much different.

It sounds like are not strong enough.
...Is that what you meant?

I think he meant the hand has too much defense relative to offense. Look at the minors...
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Posted 2008-July-10, 19:43

if he was gonna pass 2 doubled which is game, he most likely would pass 1doulbed which isnt game.....wasnt your lucky day
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Posted 2008-July-10, 20:16

I would just overcall 1 here.
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Posted 2008-July-11, 06:38

pigpenz, on Jul 11 2008, 08:43 AM, said:

if he was gonna pass 2 doubled which is game, he most likely would pass 1doulbed which isnt game.....wasnt your lucky day

Only if he is a total idiot. A 1S call is obvious on this hand.
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