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#1 User is offline   KamalK 

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Posted 2008-July-04, 11:43


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  1♣
 Pass  1♠    Pass  2♠
 Pass  Pass  Pass  


Hello All,

Was this bid right? I was South and we made 4♠. Was told at table that I should have bid 4♠ or at least invite with a 3♠ bid. But my pd was a passed hand and I have only 14 HCP.

Please advise.

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Posted 2008-July-04, 11:57

In my non-expert opinion...

Partner has shown at least 6 points, possibly as many as 11? I have 14HCP and a very nice singleton. Certainly, I think that 4 spades is at least possible. However, game is far from certain opposite a minimum.

I would have raised 2♠ to 3♠.

That said, north has a bare minimum for his 2♠, and would pass the invite.

I suspect that you're the victim of a bit of resulting. If the A♥ were with east, you would lose 4 tricks - ♠♥♥♦. In addition, you have a fortunate fit. Swap north's diamonds for his hearts or clubs, and now even 3♠ is not safe.

In my opinion, reaching 4♠ here would have been poor, even if you'd made.

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Posted 2008-July-04, 11:59

No your bidding was fine.
You would not usually expect to make 10 tricks in spades. I would be very happy to play the hand in 2S, especially as it takes very good defence to beat 3D the other way.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 12:00

There is not a lot wrong with 2♠, although some would have rebid 3♠. Perhaps it's a 2.5♠ rebid, but 4441 hands don't play all too well.

Even if you have bid 3♠, it is not at all certain that your partner would have raised to game. Passing is definitely best, because on a normal defence you have no chance of making 4♠.

You even have to play the hand very well to make 9 tricks after two rounds of diamonds.

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Posted 2008-July-04, 12:03

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Was told at table that I should have bid 4♠ or at least invite with a 3♠ bid.


I double and lead a low heart from the West hand. ;)

Results do not match correct bidding. 2S was fine, although some might stretch to 3 with that hand.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 12:04

Winstonm, on Jul 4 2008, 08:03 PM, said:

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Was told at table that I should have bid 4♠ or at least invite with a 3♠ bid.


I double and lead a low heart from the West hand.

That rates to be a bad idea, given that East is on lead ;)

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Posted 2008-July-04, 13:04

vuroth, on Jul 4 2008, 12:57 PM, said:

I would have raised 2♠ to 3♠.

Certainly not. North has a lousy hand. 2♠ is the right contract.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 13:44

I would bid 3S as I'm tempted by my sharp cards of KQJ and AK with a singleton (decent hearts even!). Yes, it's true that 2S could be our last making spot but sometimes partner can have some 8-9counts and game could easily be making. I understand that it's certainly not that attractive NV, but I guess I'm suckered into it with my nice hand.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 19:27

This is a 2S bid. Your bidding was fine.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 23:47

Well played to make 4.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 23:11

Thanks all for your valued inputs

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Posted 2008-July-07, 09:52

fromageGB, on Jul 4 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

vuroth, on Jul 4 2008, 12:57 PM, said:

I would have raised 2♠ to 3♠.

Certainly not. North has a lousy hand. 2♠ is the right contract.

Sorry. I meant bidding 3♠ insted of 2 with south, though I agree it's a marginal call.

Certainly north pass south's spade raise.
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Posted 2008-July-10, 02:23

you were lucky pard didn't have anything in D, had H's & C's instead.
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Posted 2008-July-10, 05:41

With a known fit, you can add 2 for the singleton, giving you 16 points. A raise to 3 is OK (but marginal. . it really depends on partnership agreement what you do with this kind of hand). In any case bidding to game [edit: by responder] with a flat 6 should never happen. It only works because neither of you have points in diamonds so they have 10 HCP that will get them only one trick. But there is no way to communicate a diamond singleton. You could just as easily have a heart singleton, or a diamond doubleton with a queen and make this bid.
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Posted 2008-July-10, 07:20

3S is really too pushy IMHO. Making 4S was lucky and is not likely to happen when you are in it especially. Players have started jumping to 3 with these hands, the fear of partner passing when game makes (which is hands they had a game try and passed).
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Posted 2008-July-10, 07:39

Well I would have bid 3D with the south hand, not 2S.
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