Lebensohl problem hand
#3
Posted 2008-June-14, 13:42
#4 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2008-June-14, 14:03
jdonn, on Jun 14 2008, 02:42 PM, said:
Agree with this, I feel like a little girl though. Partner is never actually 4144 though.
#5
Posted 2008-June-14, 14:51
George Carlin
#6
Posted 2008-June-14, 17:26
Weak 4 card suit, stiff Q of ♦, three small ♥ (PD may have a couple, noting there was no raise from RHO, but not all raise on every 3 card sup. hand, but many do)
#7
Posted 2008-June-14, 18:48
We have no hope of bidding constructively at this point. If partner has AKxx, xx, K..., K... we might be 2 light in 4S. On the other hand, AJxx, xx, A.., KJ.. and AJxx, x, K.., KJ.. offer good play, and stiff, DA in the reds makes 4S almost cold.
Positive features on this hand, then, are
1: stiff heart
2: DA not DK
3: second club honor
4: SJ
Partner can do the same analysis about the major suits, although he doesn't know if I have one good minor and which one, or general power. I'll bet partner makes the right decision often enough and that 3S is -1 infrequently enough to justify my decision.
#8
Posted 2008-June-14, 19:05
#9
Posted 2008-June-15, 12:38
xcurt, on Jun 14 2008, 07:48 PM, said:
We have no hope of bidding constructively at this point. If partner has AKxx, xx, K..., K... we might be 2 light in 4S. On the other hand, AJxx, xx, A.., KJ.. and AJxx, x, K.., KJ.. offer good play, and stiff, DA in the reds makes 4S almost cold.
Positive features on this hand, then, are
1: stiff heart
2: DA not DK
3: second club honor
4: SJ
Partner can do the same analysis about the major suits, although he doesn't know if I have one good minor and which one, or general power. I'll bet partner makes the right decision often enough and that 3S is -1 infrequently enough to justify my decision.
Agree with xcurl, especially as immediate actions over pre-empts should be sound. Had partner bid 1♠, then your hand,
♠ Qxxx ♥ Txx ♦ Q ♣ AT9xx, would be worth at least a limit raise to 3♠. Luckily, Lebensohl allows you to express that view.
#10
Posted 2008-June-15, 14:54
jdonn, on Jun 15 2008, 05:42 AM, said:
ditto
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#11
Posted 2008-June-15, 15:57
From the auction partner may well have a big hand. I like to bid conservatively in that situation.
#12
Posted 2008-June-15, 16:55
Halo, on Jun 15 2008, 04:57 PM, said:
From the auction partner may well have a big hand.
If you do this the next call is going to be "director!"
OK, I kid, you meant 2♠ of course.
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From the auction partner may well have a big hand. I like to bid conservatively in that situation.
I would agree with this statement if we had to jump to 3♠ to show our invitational values. But partner will break the Lebensohl transfer if he has the nuts so we really aren't preempting him.
#13
Posted 2008-June-15, 23:55
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#14
Posted 2008-June-16, 00:48
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#15
Posted 2008-June-16, 12:23
Change the pattern to 5314 and I would invite.
#16
Posted 2008-June-17, 09:24
The_Hog, on Jun 15 2008, 02:05 AM, said:
I would do the same.
2NT than 3♠ = invite with 4 trumps in my book.
#17
Posted 2008-June-18, 06:06
TylerE, on Jun 14 2008, 02:13 PM, said:
(2♥) - X - (p) - ?
IMPs, None
I agree with others who say it is close. How close depends on what your agreements are about how aggressive Overcaller can be with their Takeout X.
If Overcaller could have an 8 loser hand for their Takeout X, a 2S Advance is quite enough.
If Overcaller promises at most 7 losers, this hand is close to an invite. It depends on how sound in other ways you have agreed Overcaller should be. If Overcaller is the one expected to be "pushy", 2S is probably enough. If you are the one expected to be "pushy", and this hand fits your agreements for invites, then you can invite with this hand.
But note that unless you like bad scores, only one of you should be "pushy". Which one is up to your partnership.
#18
Posted 2008-June-18, 06:43
foo, on Jun 18 2008, 07:06 AM, said:
Past successful partnerships, from Reese and Schapiro onwards seem to fit the pattern described by foo. Nevertheless, IMO it is better if both partners try to emulate each other's "down the middle" judgement. Among the advantages that accrue is that, in a complex auction, when trying to construct partner's hand
- Rather than ponder the question "On what would partner bid like that?"
- You can instead ask yourself the simpler question "What would I hold to bid like that?"
#19
Posted 2008-June-18, 07:28
nige1, on Jun 18 2008, 07:43 AM, said:
foo, on Jun 18 2008, 07:06 AM, said:
Past successful partnerships, from Reese and Schapiro onwards seem to fit the pattern described by foo. Nevertheless, IMO it is better if both partners try to emulate each other's "down the middle" judgement. Among the advantages that accrue is that, in a complex auction, when trying to construct partner's hand
- Rather than ponder the question "On what would partner bid like that?"
- You can instead ask yourself the simpler question "What would I hold to bid like that?"
The problem is that no matter how "objective" or "down the middle" you are as a pair, sooner or later one of you =is= going to get a hand that is "too close to call".
If you never upgrade such hands, you will get bad results. If you always upgrade such hands, you will get bad results. Some criteria must exist for deciding what to do, and an agreement needs to be in place so that only one of you upgrades such hands on any given board (since unfortunately they sometimes come in pairs).