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#1 User is offline   TylerE 

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Posted 2008-June-09, 17:27

1NT 15-17

p-p-p in you, White v Red at MP

♠AJ2 ♥T94 ♦AT97 ♣AJ6

EDIT: Sorry, AT97 of ♦, not KT97
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Posted 2008-June-09, 17:37

Is this a trick question?

1♦

(After the edit) OK, probably I still open 1♦, but 1NT is also reasonable.

This post has been edited by 655321: 2008-June-09, 17:49

That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-June-09, 17:37

1d in fourth seat np yet.
edit...still 1D in fourth seat np yet. :P
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Posted 2008-June-09, 17:45

Original post edited.
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Posted 2008-June-09, 17:49

Am I supposed to be tempted to open 1N with a 4333 14 count with two jacks?

1♦ for me.
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Posted 2008-June-09, 18:00

1d
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Posted 2008-June-09, 18:01

1♦ totally obv.

I am all for tactical NT bids, but this doesn't qualify. I am not unhappy at all if the opponents declare (especially when they are red), and my hand sucks.
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Posted 2008-June-09, 18:05

pclayton, on Jun 10 2008, 12:49 AM, said:

Am I supposed to be tempted to open 1N with a 4333 14 count with two jacks?

It also has three aces and two 109s. I'd probably upgrade this.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-09, 19:10

gnasher, on Jun 9 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 10 2008, 12:49 AM, said:

Am I supposed to be tempted to open 1N with a 4333 14 count with two jacks?

It also has three aces and two 109s. I'd probably upgrade this.

no upgrade for flat 4333 for me. 1D
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Posted 2008-June-09, 19:59

1♦ with a WTP for this flat hand !
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Posted 2008-June-09, 20:19

Obvious 1♦.

But, I play 14-16 in this seat and would open 1NT myself. I like the lower range here.
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Posted 2008-June-09, 21:24

This would be my least favorite seat to upgrade this hand. The risk of it leading to a minus by partner overbidding is too high.
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Posted 2008-June-09, 22:43

I'd try a 15-17 1N with it. If you concede that Aces are undervalued and tens and nines are of some limited use even though they count for nothing, then just how many do you have to add before upgrading. I think this one qualifies - just.
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Posted 2008-June-10, 00:25

Just a thought from the peanut gallery: I think that if one of the red tens was a black instead it might be more worthy of an upgrade, say AJ10 942 A1097 AJ6 - same pips, same distribution. I would open that hand 1NT under the given conditions, but I don't think the OP hand is worth 1NT.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy - but it might improve my bridge.
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Posted 2008-June-10, 06:35

TylerE, on Jun 9 2008, 06:27 PM, said:

1NT 15-17
p-p-p in you, White v Red at MP
♠AJ2 ♥T94 ♦AT97 ♣AJ6
IMO 1♦ = 10, 1N = 9.
You have no 4 card major; the aces tens and nines are good; but the shape is dull.
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Posted 2008-June-10, 08:05

1NT totally obvious.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 14:11

1♣ for me. (1♦ with a pick-up.)
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Posted 2008-June-11, 14:49

I don't feel strongly between 1♦ and 1♣, but 1NT is a gross misevaluation of this hand.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 20:22

Definitely not 1NT for me, not even close with 4333.
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Posted 2008-June-11, 20:38

Apollo81, on Jun 12 2008, 03:49 AM, said:

I don't feel strongly between 1♦ and 1♣, but 1NT is a gross misevaluation of this hand.

I agree with nearly all of this post, just remove the word "gross".
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