[Codo]

I would pass and I don`t understand a 2 Club bid.

If I won`t pas, why should I aim for a 4-3 fit, which possible is just a 3-3 fit anyway?

I would make the very small lie of 1 NT. es I should have been a little stronger, but I bet that 2 club makes less often then 1 NT.

As I am in the minority of one in this case, please explain me, why 2 Club should work better then 1 NT.

[Hanoi5]

Pass or 2♦.

[the hog]

whereagles, on May 23 2008, 06:04 PM, said:

The_Hog, on May 22 2008, 01:47 PM, said:

Jlall, on May 22 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

Why are you so pessimistic that passing will lead to a bad result?

Because my hearts are not good enough for a 1 level penalty pass.

I think the hearts ARE good for a penalty pass, but the rest of the hand is not. We are a bit weakish and our shape is eligible for trump endplays.

Nuno when you make a penalty pass, you generally want to draw their trumps so that they don't ruff with the little ones. Are your trumps good enough to lead the Q here? personally I don't think so. I would not make a penalty pass at the one level with less than KQJTx of trumps. If this means I never make a 1 level penalty pass, well so be it. Fwiw I once played a 4S contract doubled and those were the outstanding trumps in one hand - it made on an end play.

[brianshark]

You don't always want to draw trump. You do when you have game and you want to kill them to protect your good score. But when you just have 3/4 trump tricks, pard has enough tricks to bring your total to 7 or 8 and the deal is a bit of a misfit, then you simply want to take your tricks and take your trump tricks when you get them.

[whereagles]

The_Hog, on May 23 2008, 02:35 PM, said:

Fwiw I once played a 4S contract doubled and those were the outstanding trumps in one hand - it made on an end play.

Yeah, I remember a hand of Kelsey's "test your opening leads" where opening leader has something like our friend QJ98x of trumps and the only way to set it was to lead a singleton to SHORTEN yourself away from the endplay.

Anyway, obviously, even if the heart holding isn't ideal, pass is made more attractive because the alternatives aren't that good. But yeah, agree it's risky to pass (hence my 2♣ bid, eheh).

[han]

Pass and I won't lead the trump queen.

[neilkaz]

Will they make ? Maybe..how about an OT? ..perhaps but I doubt it. What will happen if I bid 2♦ on Kxx and PD has some cards ? What will happen if he doesn't and has only 3 card support ? I fear -2x too often to bid, but obviously if ♥ weaker I have to, or even here with my pointed suits reversed, I bid 1♠

Pass and and even if they are making, perhaps opener bids a 4 or 5 card suit with weakish ♥ cuz he's scared.

[han]

I dealt 60 hands vaguely consistent with the auction: opener had 11+ points and 5+ hearts, responder at most 5 points and partner had 8+ points and at least 3 cards in all other suits (not in hearts).

When checking manually I only selected 16 deals that seemed consistent with the auction (I also required that LHO would pass if you pass). For example, I threw out several hands where responder had a 6-card spade suit.

Double dummy 1H can be made twice on those 16 hands. A spade lead is the best double dummy lead by far (only 1 hand where a spade is not among the best leads).

Besides the two hands where 1H makes it goes down four 1 time, down three 6 times, down two 4 times and down one 3 times.

I pass.

(notice I ignored Csaba's comment that LHO might have more than 6 points)