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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-May-21, 01:47

72
QJ983
K83
952

1♥-p-p-X
p-?

IMPS, various colors. RHO's 1♥ is limited to 17 hcp (well, duh) in a polish ♣ style system and LHO apparently can pass some 6 counts.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 02:58

gwnn, on May 21 2008, 02:47 AM, said:

72
QJ983
K83
952

1♥-p-p-X
p-?

IMPS, various colors. RHO's 1♥ is limited to 17 hcp (well, duh) in a polish ♣ style system and LHO apparently can pass some 6 counts.

2c


no problem yet.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 03:16

mike777, on May 21 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

gwnn, on May 21 2008, 02:47 AM, said:

72
QJ983
K83
952

1♥-p-p-X
p-?

IMPS, various colors. RHO's 1♥ is limited to 17 hcp (well, duh) in a polish ♣ style system and LHO apparently can pass some 6 counts.

2c


no problem yet.

Yikes, I agree with Mike.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 03:36

well , can't have unanimity !

PASS

I look to have about 4 tricks , even with a poor hand pt should be able to contribute 3 ; if he has a good hand he then knows where my length and strength lies
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Posted 2008-May-21, 03:47

I'll bid 2♣ because if I pass, pard will start doubling and I'm not that strong.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 05:44

Hi,

it is either pass or 1NT, I would go with pass.

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Posted 2008-May-21, 05:51

I would pass, if they make we probably weren't going to do great.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 05:54

I'm passing. We will probably knock it tbh and I don't think we'll have much more than a partial. Agree with Jlall.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 06:33

Pass. What's the worst that can happen? -260?
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Posted 2008-May-21, 10:12

I'm passing this. Can hardly be catastrophic. Bidding most often will be. I'm expecting them to make, probably an overtrick. Even if they're vulnerable that's only -360.
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Posted 2008-May-21, 11:26

FWIW, I'm passing. It is true that LHO could pull the double and then who knows where this hand will end up - but I really don't fancy anything else.

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Posted 2008-May-21, 11:42

I am a passer as well.. paying great respect to that trump 8 :P

Question: what is our opening lead?

BTW, the odds of LHO pulling this are very low in my experience... and there is no reason why partner should go nuts if he does... if LHO bids 1♠ and partner doubles, I have a comfortable 1N... showing weakness, not values... if he doubles a 2 minor bid, I am not happy but I am not desolate either.. we will usually have more trump than they do, even tho declarer will have more of them than either of us.
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Posted 2008-May-22, 01:19

Another reason fior not passing is that pd may well decide not to balance in future, especially if you are going to score -260/-360. I don't see why the passers are that pessimistic that bidding will lead to a bad result.
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Posted 2008-May-22, 07:36

The_Hog, on May 22 2008, 02:19 AM, said:

Another reason fior not passing is that pd may well decide not to balance in future, especially if you are going to score -260/-360. I don't see why the passers are that pessimistic that bidding will lead to a bad result.

Why are you so pessimistic that passing will lead to a bad result?
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Posted 2008-May-22, 07:38

Pass, I don't like any other bid.
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Posted 2008-May-22, 07:47

Jlall, on May 22 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

The_Hog, on May 22 2008, 02:19 AM, said:

Another reason fior not passing is that pd may well decide not to balance in future, especially if you are going to score -260/-360. I don't see why the passers are that pessimistic that bidding will lead to a bad result.

Why are you so pessimistic that passing will lead to a bad result?

Because my hearts are not good enough for a 1 level penalty pass.
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Posted 2008-May-22, 07:49

well , I waited for someone to point out the subsidiary advantage of PASS ; it will slow down pt if he has a good hand ; your bid suggests that defeating a part score is the limit of your ambitions [ it can also be a hand that expects opps to go for a big number , but pt will be happy with that , surely ], so not much outside hearts ; if the bidding continues and he wants to go on , fine ...at least he will know what to expect from your side of the table

personally when my side has made a penalty pass I like to play all further doubles as the axe
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:04

The_Hog, on May 22 2008, 01:47 PM, said:

Jlall, on May 22 2008, 08:36 PM, said:


Why are you so pessimistic that passing will lead to a bad result?

Because my hearts are not good enough for a 1 level penalty pass.

I think the hearts ARE good for a penalty pass, but the rest of the hand is not. We are a bit weakish and our shape is eligible for trump endplays.
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:10

The_Hog, on May 22 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

Another reason fior not passing is that pd may well decide not to balance in future, especially if you are going to score -260/-360. I don't see why the passers are that pessimistic that bidding will lead to a bad result.

I disagree with this. In the postmortem we will probably agree that partner's dbl was normal while my decision, whether it was to pass, to bid 2♣ or whatever, was questionable. Maybe this deal will teach me a lesson. (I hope it will since I really don't know whether I should pass or bid 2♣).
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Posted 2008-May-23, 05:48

pd (me) had a moose. AKQJ x Qxx AKJxx. 3NT makes, 1♥ makes 4 tricks
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