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r/w, pairs, playing 2/1.
You deal and open 1S with AKQT6 K QT43 AJ2 then pass, 1N (forcing), pass to you.
Now what?
If this is not close, please say why.
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Posted 2008-May-17, 09:58
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Posted 2008-May-17, 10:33
I'd just bid 2N since it's a stiff K. I consider 2D a very reasonable alternative and it could work well, but I'm too worried about missing a power game after all pass. I do not consider 3D to be in the ballpark.
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Posted 2008-May-17, 12:05
Jlall, on May 17 2008, 08:33 AM, said:
I'd just bid 2N since it's a stiff K. I consider 2D a very reasonable alternative and it could work well, but I'm too worried about missing a power game after all pass. I do not consider 3D to be in the ballpark.
Same here. 2♦ gives me a headache and 3♦ is sick.
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Posted 2008-May-17, 16:24
Sick, but I would have opened 2NT.
Now, 2NT.
If playing Power 2NT, I suppose 2NT...3♦ is the least of all evils.
Now, 2NT.
If playing Power 2NT, I suppose 2NT...3♦ is the least of all evils.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 02:15
My rebid would depend upon who my partner was (or methods if you like).
With my regular I rebid 2♣ - a transfer showing 4c+♦s. Intending to follow up with 3NT.
With several others I'd rebid 2NT, conventional GF (I have that opportunity with my regular too).
What I'd never do is making a 3♦ jump rebid. This should be 5-5 GF. Playing none of the above conventions I'd probably rebid 2NT natural.
With my regular I rebid 2♣ - a transfer showing 4c+♦s. Intending to follow up with 3NT.
With several others I'd rebid 2NT, conventional GF (I have that opportunity with my regular too).
What I'd never do is making a 3♦ jump rebid. This should be 5-5 GF. Playing none of the above conventions I'd probably rebid 2NT natural.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 08:01
y66, on May 17 2008, 10:58 AM, said:
r/w, pairs, playing 2/1.
You deal and open 1S with AKQT6 K QT43 AJ2 then pass, 1N (forcing), pass to you.
You deal and open 1S with AKQT6 K QT43 AJ2 then pass, 1N (forcing), pass to you.
I don't get why repsonses just seem to get weaker and weaker.
I have 19 hcp, I have a balanced hand, I bid 3NT. Yeah, the heart king might turn out badly, then again, maybe it won't. At any rate, bidding 2NT isn't going to tell partner when he should bid 3, since if he has Jx of hearts it doesn't matter what else he has outside, and if he has JT9x of hearts I won't need much. How is he supposed to know that from a 2NT bid?
I know, it may very well be worth devaluing that king (or maybe when I wasn't looking 3NT showing 19+ got changed). But should the 'book bid' at least get an option on the poll?
For those of you who bid 2NT, what do you intend to say if partner says 3♣?
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Posted 2008-May-18, 08:07
I don't know what 2NT shows for you, but this hand is a bit strong for that, isn't it...
Anyway, tough problem.
Anyway, tough problem.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 08:37
jtfanclub, what are you talking about, 2N shows 18-19 and you have...19. Do people really play 2N=18 and 3N=19? I thought that was out of fashion in the 50s.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 09:00
Jlall, on May 18 2008, 09:37 AM, said:
jtfanclub, what are you talking about, 2N shows 18-19 and you have...19. Do people really play 2N=18 and 3N=19? I thought that was out of fashion in the 50s.
They still teach 2NT=17-18 and 3NT=19-20 around here. I did a web search and there seemed to be lots of sites agreeing with this, but then I have no idea if the web sites were any good or not.
If expert standard is 2NT=18-19, then of course 2NT. I'm just behind the times again.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 09:12
For me 2NT is 17 - 18, and 3NT is 19-20. But I'm unwilling to shoot 3N on this hand so that makes it a tough problem. So I'll underbid 2NT and hope to get away with it.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 09:43
jtfanclub, on May 18 2008, 10:00 AM, said:
Jlall, on May 18 2008, 09:37 AM, said:
jtfanclub, what are you talking about, 2N shows 18-19 and you have...19. Do people really play 2N=18 and 3N=19? I thought that was out of fashion in the 50s.
They still teach 2NT=17-18 and 3NT=19-20 around here. I did a web search and there seemed to be lots of sites agreeing with this, but then I have no idea if the web sites were any good or not.
If expert standard is 2NT=18-19, then of course 2NT. I'm just behind the times again.
3N 19-20 is about the worst sounding convention ever to me. 20-21 has been the standard 2N opener since I've played bridge, so 20 is not needed, and using 3N specificially to show a 19 count is not only a waste of a bid but it makes it impossible to investigate. I would rather bid 2N with 19 even if it meant not using 3N for anything. At least that way I can investigate for things like 5-3 heart fits, and *gasp* stop in 2N if partner did something crazy like respond with less than 6 points. On top of that it is very useful to be able to bid 3N on hands like AKQJxxx Ax xx xx.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 14:58
If 2NT is not artificial, it shows 17-18 for me. The fifth major card and a balanced hand makes almost any 17-count too good for 1NT and almost any 19-count good enough to open 2NT.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 18:44
jtfanclub, on May 18 2008, 07:00 AM, said:
They still teach 2NT=17-18 and 3NT=19-20 around here. I did a web search and there seemed to be lots of sites agreeing with this, but then I have no idea if the web sites were any good or not.
My god, where is 'here'.
Anyone that teaches this should be sent to Room 101 for mandatory reeducation with the rat cage.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 19:08
2NT for me.
One thing I have learned about pairs is that when you have a chance to go for the jugular you take it. Trying to be fine will just help the opponents figure out the point of the hand.
And 3NT is definitely running tricks in my book.
One thing I have learned about pairs is that when you have a chance to go for the jugular you take it. Trying to be fine will just help the opponents figure out the point of the hand.
And 3NT is definitely running tricks in my book.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 23:49
2Nt, In pairs i see no reason to force to game. If partner pass we are in the best spot.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 23:55
jtfanclub, on May 18 2008, 06:01 AM, said:
For those of you who bid 2NT, what do you intend to say if partner says 3♣?
I play that 3♣ is to play, so I'd pass. The better question is what they would do with a responder that bids hearts next.
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