[Apollo81]

2♣/4♣/pass

[rogerclee]

The_Hog, on May 11 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

rogerclee, on May 11 2008, 07:18 AM, said:

1) 3♣ works way better. 2♣ will get partner to double them off with his 12-count when your hand is worth literally zero defensive tricks.

2) 4♣ is best; it is cold, with 3♠ down 1 or 2 depending on the play.

3) Pass doesn't work out so well; you guys are cold for 5♦. You also lose to everyone else in 3NT when RHO's 4♣ bid is a little untraditional. 4♣ goes down 5.

So Roger how do you suggest we get to 5D on the last board. I doubt you are recommending a 4D overcall with that suit, are you? Perhaps you are recommending a X. Pray tell me what we then do over a 4S bid?

Personally I think 3C is a youth players bid on board 1. You grow out of it on suits that bad with outside defensive tricks.

Josh is right, show me the hands!

Oh, this was from a live game a few nights ago, and I've lost the hand records. I will say what I can remember.

1) Partner has ♠AT8x ♥J9xxx ♦Qx ♣AJ, and he will double 3♠, which is cold for 4, since RHO is 5062 and diamonds 2-2.

2) Partner has ♠AQJx ♥Q ♦xx ♣AKQJxx.

3) Partner has some sort of 4261 hand which is not good enough to open and had too much playing strength in spades to preempt. This was an opponent's decision, I didn't get a good look at the hand. I just thought our result was amusing.

I agree that hands 1 and 3 may not be very instructive. Sorry.

[pclayton]

rogerclee, on May 12 2008, 12:45 PM, said:

I agree that hands 1 and 3 may not be very instructive. Sorry.

For whom?

[mikeh]

late to the thread

I'd pass board 1: even tho I know it is mps.. I can always bid later if the auction suggests it to be appropriate, and I am not worried about a pass out with this hand.

On board 2, I have a sneaking admiration for 4♥, but that is very unilateral... does it promise club support, as I would argue if I made the bid, or is it how I'd bid the same high card values with 7 or 8 weak hearts, as he'd argue when passing with a stiff? And even if it promises clubs, do I really want to be in 5♣ when we could have had it for 4♣? So I bid the (obvious) 4♣ now. BTW, I hate a negative double of 1♠... when you bid on that crap, how is partner ever going to know what to do?

On board 3, the pass is the most obvious answer I have seen in many a thread. The fact that we are 'cold' for 5♦ is meaningless and irrelevant. The fact that rho doesn't have a 4♣ bid is not exactly unexpected, but so what? Bad bridge works sometimes, which is just as well, given how much of it is played (and I don't exclude me from that, either )

[whereagles]

pclayton, on May 10 2008, 05:37 PM, said:

Well, run this through your simulator Nuno. RHO has advertised 5+ hearts. The spade length around the table is a complete unknown. What is their most probable fit?

I'm not being argumentative, but I am curious.

Ok, so I'm back in office and simulated this. We have

J
AQx
J9
Q987xxx

RHO opens 1♥.

Under the assumption that RHO has 5+ hearts, that hearts is his longest suit except if 55 majors and he's got 10+ hcp and not playing 1NT with 5 card major, we have:

Produced 50804 hands
opps spade length: 7.46048
opps heart lenght: 7.66111
opps diams length: 6.92461
opps clubs lenght: 3.9538
opps HCP: 21.6137

Odds for a fit on any suit but clubs are very similar, a little less likely to diamonds. A 3♣ overcall won't bother opps much if their fit happens to be hearts, but if it's diams or spades, it will be quite bothersome.

[brianshark]

1. 2♣
2. 4♣ (Would not have doubled previously)
3. Pass

Edit: wow I'm very late to the thread, sorry.