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Can you identify this bid?
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Posted 2008-April-06, 23:51
(1♣) P (1♦) 1nt
I've just had an expert pickup partner teach me about 1nt bids here
What would you say?
I've just had an expert pickup partner teach me about 1nt bids here
What would you say?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
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Posted 2008-April-06, 23:55
natural...15-17 is a little weak though, think more like 16-18
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Posted 2008-April-06, 23:56
Experts play it as natural, and "experts" as takeout.
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Posted 2008-April-06, 23:56
I guess I have to count Justin as expert then 
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Posted 2008-April-06, 23:57
The meaning of the bid is whatever you agree it to mean. I like playing it as a 15-18 NT hand, as I feel that I don't need 3 ways to ask partner to bid a major (takeout double, michaels cue-bid, and potential sandwich no trump).
Chris Gibson
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Posted 2008-April-07, 02:08
W/O an agreement it is natural, I know it as 16-18.
There is a reason to play 1 NT as 5/4 9in the unbid suits after (1m) pass (1M).
And you may agree to play the same way after 1♣ pass 1♦ just to have less to remember.
But besides this memory effect, there is NO good reason to (ab)use 1 NT in this way.
There is a reason to play 1 NT as 5/4 9in the unbid suits after (1m) pass (1M).
And you may agree to play the same way after 1♣ pass 1♦ just to have less to remember.
But besides this memory effect, there is NO good reason to (ab)use 1 NT in this way.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 05:08
Strong and balanced for me.
Playing this as two-suited works best against players that don't open and respond light.
Playing this as two-suited works best against players that don't open and respond light.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2008-April-07, 08:06
My p had this hand for his 1nt overcall: Axxxx,KQxxx, xx, K
When I asked about his bid he assured me all real experts would know this bid
Another odd 1nt I had earlier;
I doubled in 4th pos with 16count and 44 majors.
(1♣) P (1♦) X
(1♠) 1nt
my p had Kxx,xxxx,Qxxx,xx for his 1nt
When I asked about his bid he assured me all real experts would know this bid
Another odd 1nt I had earlier;
I doubled in 4th pos with 16count and 44 majors.
(1♣) P (1♦) X
(1♠) 1nt
my p had Kxx,xxxx,Qxxx,xx for his 1nt
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
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Posted 2008-April-07, 12:33
jillybean2, on Apr 7 2008, 11:06 PM, said:
My p had this hand for his 1nt overcall: Axxxx,KQxxx, xx, K
When I asked about his bid he assured me all real experts would know this bid
When I asked about his bid he assured me all real experts would know this bid
In a way he was right.
All experts know this bid.
But no expert use it.
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Roland
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Posted 2008-April-07, 13:00
With everyone opening on 9-some-odd HCP these days and responders doing their responding with 1 HCP plus or minus a few it's critical to have this bid be natural.
If I'm playing Al Roth maybe I'll reconsider.
If I'm playing Al Roth maybe I'll reconsider.
Kevin Fay
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Posted 2008-April-07, 13:02
The standard meaning is that is shows a strong notrump. Perhaps the range should be more like 16-19 rather than 15-17.
Certainly there are some folks who play it as major-suit takeout, in which case it is usually agreed as showing 5+♥/4+♠ and something like 8-12 high (strong hands double). But this is not standard and I would not assume it without discussion except by a passed hand since then a strong notrump is impossible.
Certainly there are some folks who play it as major-suit takeout, in which case it is usually agreed as showing 5+♥/4+♠ and something like 8-12 high (strong hands double). But this is not standard and I would not assume it without discussion except by a passed hand since then a strong notrump is impossible.
Adam W. Meyerson
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