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Posted 2008-April-04, 00:38
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
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Posted 2008-April-04, 00:41
4H willing to miss slam opp 2 aces and 2 trumps in order to preempt them. Even with them being passed hands they could have a good save or even a making game.
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Posted 2008-April-04, 01:44
I bid 4♥ and then it got interesting..
(P) P (P) 4♥
(4nt) P (5♣) P
(P) 5♥ ap
Partner turned up with
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
I made 7♥ , both my p and opps blamed the 4♥ bid and said that my bid was 1♥
(P) P (P) 4♥
(4nt) P (5♣) P
(P) 5♥ ap
Partner turned up with
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
I made 7♥ , both my p and opps blamed the 4♥ bid and said that my bid was 1♥
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
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Posted 2008-April-04, 02:52
Your partners fault.
In 4. hand you do not preempt, you bid to make.
He MUST bid 5 ♦ after 4 NT, which should show a real good hand for HEarts and a diamond control and nothing in clubs.
His pass and then 5 Heart bid showed something like
xxx,QJxx,xxx,xxx (well maybe a little more..)
I think a direct 6 Heart bid from him is MUCH better then his approach.
You bid 4 Heart to make opposite around 1 trick from partner. So why shouldn`t he bid 6 with 3 tricks?
In 4. hand you do not preempt, you bid to make.
He MUST bid 5 ♦ after 4 NT, which should show a real good hand for HEarts and a diamond control and nothing in clubs.
His pass and then 5 Heart bid showed something like
xxx,QJxx,xxx,xxx (well maybe a little more..)
I think a direct 6 Heart bid from him is MUCH better then his approach.
You bid 4 Heart to make opposite around 1 trick from partner. So why shouldn`t he bid 6 with 3 tricks?
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Posted 2008-April-04, 03:34
Codo, on Apr 4 2008, 09:52 PM, said:
Your partners fault.
In 4. hand you do not preempt, you bid to make.
He MUST bid 5 ♦ after 4 NT, which should show a real good hand for HEarts and a diamond control and nothing in clubs.
His pass and then 5 Heart bid showed something like
xxx,QJxx,xxx,xxx (well maybe a little more..)
I think a direct 6 Heart bid from him is MUCH better then his approach.
You bid 4 Heart to make opposite around 1 trick from partner. So why shouldn`t he bid 6 with 3 tricks?
In 4. hand you do not preempt, you bid to make.
He MUST bid 5 ♦ after 4 NT, which should show a real good hand for HEarts and a diamond control and nothing in clubs.
His pass and then 5 Heart bid showed something like
xxx,QJxx,xxx,xxx (well maybe a little more..)
I think a direct 6 Heart bid from him is MUCH better then his approach.
You bid 4 Heart to make opposite around 1 trick from partner. So why shouldn`t he bid 6 with 3 tricks?
Why would partner bid 5♦ to show the diamond control and not 4♠ to show the spade control?
Wayne Burrows
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Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2008-April-04, 04:03
Jlall, on Apr 4 2008, 10:47 PM, said:
Tough to bid 4S over a 4N overcall
So true - whoops I still had my mind on the opening post.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2008-April-04, 09:50
If you bid 4H you sometimes miss slam. Far more often though they let you play in 4H while they would have competed in spades if you opened 1H. In the long run 4H is probably the winner.
This kind of postmortem talking by the rest of your team is called "resulting".
This kind of postmortem talking by the rest of your team is called "resulting".
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-April-04, 12:45
Bonus question:
Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this:
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card.
Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this:
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
“Let me put it in words you might understand,” he said. “Mr. Trump, f–k off!” Anders Vistisen
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Posted 2008-April-04, 12:54
jillybean2, on Apr 4 2008, 09:45 PM, said:
Bonus question:
Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this:
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card.
Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this:
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card.
Even playing standard (as opposed to 2/1) I would have passed:
The hand is borderline at best.
Plus, I really dislike opening 3 card diamond suits...
I consider it much more attractive to open 1C on
A9xx
QJxx
xx
Axx
than 1D on
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
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Posted 2008-April-04, 12:59
jillybean2, on Apr 4 2008, 12:45 PM, said:
Bonus question:
Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this:
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card.
Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this:
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card.
I pass this it really is only a 11 HCP 4432 hand and I won't often have too much trouble finding a 4-4 fit if PD has much.
Make an x in both majors suits the T and I'll open or give me one T in a major or even ♦ and 4♦ and I'll open.
As it is, I am a bit light and openin a 3 card ♦ suit, so I'll pass.
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Posted 2008-April-04, 13:08
Your initial 4♥ in 4th seat shows what you have (at least to me) An almost certain 9 tricks with long ♥ and too weak to open 2♣ and wanting some preeemptive effect.
Your PD's pass over 4NT is very poor and he should flash slam interest as well as support, unless he's planning on doubling either minor, which he obviously wasn't.
I have found that in most casual partnerships, opening preemptively in 4th seat in interpretted by PD as a normal good preempt ! They just don't seem to undertstand that you have extra strength and expect good chances to make.
With that in mind, your PD would do well to learn to see beyond the end of his nose and realize that things in bridge have evolved over the decades. If he paused to think why you opened 4♥ rather than 1♥ or passing the hand out, he'll see that his hand is tremendous for you.
Your PD's pass over 4NT is very poor and he should flash slam interest as well as support, unless he's planning on doubling either minor, which he obviously wasn't.
I have found that in most casual partnerships, opening preemptively in 4th seat in interpretted by PD as a normal good preempt ! They just don't seem to undertstand that you have extra strength and expect good chances to make.
With that in mind, your PD would do well to learn to see beyond the end of his nose and realize that things in bridge have evolved over the decades. If he paused to think why you opened 4♥ rather than 1♥ or passing the hand out, he'll see that his hand is tremendous for you.
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Posted 2008-April-04, 13:19
hrothgar, on Apr 4 2008, 01:54 PM, said:
jillybean2, on Apr 4 2008, 09:45 PM, said:
Bonus question:
Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this:
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card.
Who would have had a bid , 2nd position holding this:
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
With 2 Aces and both majors I have a tough time finding the pass card.
Even playing standard (as opposed to 2/1) I would have passed:
The hand is borderline at best.
Plus, I really dislike opening 3 card diamond suits...
I consider it much more attractive to open 1C on
A9xx
QJxx
xx
Axx
than 1D on
A9xx
QJxx
Axx
xx
In general I think these type of things are overrated, I doubt if you were to compare the results of opening 1D with the first hand and 1C with the second hand you would see very much imp difference over a significant sample (like less than .01 per hand), but I could be wrong.
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Posted 2008-April-04, 13:47
Hi,
it is either 2C or 4H, either could work.
With kind regards
Marlowe
it is either 2C or 4H, either could work.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-April-04, 15:49
I don't have a strong opinion on opening that hand. For you Kathryn it is probably good practice to pass! 
With Arend I'd open but as awm likes to point out, we don't play standard.
With Arend I'd open but as awm likes to point out, we don't play standard.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-April-07, 08:06
4♥
The postmortem tells me that 3 people at the table thought that 4H was preemptive in 4th seat.
I would have passed with partner's hand, and bid 6H over 4, though maybe I'd show my aces if it wasn't a pickup partner.
The postmortem tells me that 3 people at the table thought that 4H was preemptive in 4th seat.
I would have passed with partner's hand, and bid 6H over 4, though maybe I'd show my aces if it wasn't a pickup partner.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
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