[kfay]

Scoring: MP

1♣-(5♣)-?

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Partner opens 1♣! 15+ HCP artificial and RHO makes the little-seen unfavorable jump to 5-of-a-minor at MPs. What are your options here in your system?

What's your bid?

[pclayton]

RHO bid 5♣ r/w? Wow.

When I played strong club, we played a forcing pass over preempts 4♣ and higher. Double showed weakness, pass showed values and no direction, and bids were forcing.

Playing this, this looks like a double. I don't think its good enough for a FP.

[dake50]

I too, play forcing passes here, BUT FP announces Spade tolerance/fit. Here that's what I do. Switch S/H, then X.
I think this is good enough to remove partner's X to 5D, hope 15+ is all outside clubs with 3xA and he slams, or 2xA with 5D/5S on.

[Apollo81]

I definitely don't play forcing passes in this situation, and I think it's a clear 5♦ bid.

[rogerclee]

5♦, total guess.

[kfay]

The first thing I thought when I held this hand was 'I want to defend 5♣X'.

Nobody shares those sentiments?

[han]

Who is RHO?

[Cascade]

kfay, on Apr 4 2008, 10:42 AM, said:

The first thing I thought when I held this hand was 'I want to defend 5♣X'.

Nobody shares those sentiments?

We know so little about partner's hand and partner knows so little about ours it is very unilateral and a misleading description to double with no trump tricks and 6-4-2-1 distribution.

Possibly double would not even be penalties in many partnerships.

[gwnn]

double, card-showing, partner should pull with a shapely hand.

[effervesce]

For a unfavorable vul bid, surely that 5C bid can take 9 tricks with clubs as trumps. That leaves little for partner to have in clubs, if anything. Thus I'd bid 5♦ - a X is misleading, as partner is VERY likely to have everything else in the other suits; that is, AK spades, AK hearts and A diamonds.

In fact, I'd prefer to bid 6♦ rather than X!

NB: The above assumes that the opps bid rationally.....

[inquiry]

effervesce, on Apr 3 2008, 07:36 PM, said:

Thus I'd bid 5♦ - a X is misleading, as partner is VERY likely to have everything else in the other suits; that is, AK spades, AK hearts and AK diamonds.

I'm pretty sure partner does not have AK of diamonds. I am leaning towards six diamonds, but will bid at least five... i echo the "who is RHO".

[jdonn]

6♦? On an unexceptional 7 count opposite 15+? We could easily be down in 5♦, although I don't mind bidding that. Why does partner need every AK outside clubs for his 15+, doesn't LHO exist? Or instead of 9 tricks why can't RHO have, gasp, 10 or 11?

[the hog]

We played fp at the 5 level. Agree with Phil, would pass here.

[kfay]

Cascade, on Apr 3 2008, 05:08 PM, said:

kfay, on Apr 4 2008, 10:42 AM, said:

The first thing I thought when I held this hand was 'I want to defend 5♣X'.

Nobody shares those sentiments?

We know so little about partner's hand and partner knows so little about ours it is very unilateral and a misleading description to double with no trump tricks and 6-4-2-1 distribution.

Possibly double would not even be penalties in many partnerships.

Double isn't penalty for us. But bidding 5♦ sure isn't for penalty either, is what I'm saying.

[zasanya]

5♦.Always believe your vulnerable opponent.
How does it matter who is RHO?If RHO has his bid P wont have enough to move over 5♦.If RHO doesnt have his bid P may have enough to bid slam or LHO's tank will alert us

[Codo]

5 Diamond no matter who RHO is.
If I can show this hand via pass and pull- like Ron and Phil, this would be nice.
But I don't have this agreement, so I "have to" make some noise.

[helene_t]

gwnn, on Apr 4 2008, 12:00 AM, said:

double, card-showing, partner should pull with a shapely hand.

Agree. I don't consider this particularely close.

[Apollo81]

In my experience opps will not bid an unfavorable 5♣ over a strong club unless they're reasonably sure 5♣x will be good for them, and I'm certainly inclined to believe them on this hand. Actually a 4♣ bid over a strong club can be just as/more annoying than a 5♣ bid.