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Advancing pard's overcall (1C) 1S (3D=weak) ?

Poll: Now what? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

Now what?

  1. 3H (14 votes [56.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.00%

  2. 4H (10 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  3. other (1 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

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#1 User is offline   y66 

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Posted 2008-April-02, 09:27

MPs, w/w, Qx AJT7xxx x A98

(1C) 1S (3D=weak) ?
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Posted 2008-April-02, 09:49

3 seems canonical.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 22:19

3.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 22:53

I'd just go 4H, like putting LHO under pressure a lot
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Posted 2008-April-03, 01:07

Hi,

I would force to game.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-April-03, 06:42

P_Marlowe, on Apr 3 2008, 02:07 AM, said:

Hi,

I would force to game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

So, I assume you meant 3?
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Posted 2008-April-03, 07:03

This can easily make, if pard has the right miniumum cards.
The chances of success may be a little less than 50%
In IMPS I would bid game.
In MP scoring - If you bid 3H, the ops need to bid a minor at the 4 level (or 5+ level). I think 3H is enough.
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Posted 2008-April-03, 09:31

Do people play 3H as forcing or non-forcing?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-03, 09:54

han, on Apr 3 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

Do people play 3H as forcing or non-forcing?

Most probably, yes. :(

(It's forcing for me.)
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Posted 2008-April-03, 13:27

Jlall, on Apr 2 2008, 10:53 PM, said:

I'd just go 4H, like putting LHO under pressure a lot

I agree..it is a 7 card suit headed by AJT
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Posted 2008-April-03, 13:38

I like to play 3H as non-forcing and I would certainly bid it if the club ace was a small card. Therefore I think I have to bid 4H now.

Of course playing 3H as non-forcing will hurt on some hands. But usually if they open at the 1-level, partner overcalls and RHO bids a new suit (even preemptively), I don't have a very strong hand. When I do have a strong hand I can often either jump to game with a single suiter, raise or cue with support, bid 3NT with a stopper, or double with a more flexible hand.

Given my partner's overcalling style I must have quite a strong hand for wanting to force to game without a fit or a strong suit of my own. If your partners overcall more soundly then I understand wanting to play 3H as forcing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-03, 14:58

effervesce, on Apr 3 2008, 07:42 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Apr 3 2008, 02:07 AM, said:

Hi,

I would force to game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

So, I assume you meant 3?

I am not sure, if 3H is forcing or nonforcing,
it may not even be natural (or that the jump
is natural).

What ever it takes to get to 4H, I would go
this way.

Most likely biding 4H.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-April-03, 15:22

I would always assume 3 is forcing without discussion. I think there is a reasonable argument for 3 to be NF here, but it would definitely be forcing if partner had overcalled at the two-level.

I think I would 3, since I don't want to commit 100% to strain just yet.
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Posted 2008-April-03, 15:28

I like 3. LHO knows RHO's hand much better than I know partner's or vice versa, so I don't think preempting has that much value. Nothing here suggests a great fit to me. I think most people would take 3 as forcing or at least quasi forcing.
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