[PrecisionL]

Free, on Apr 6 2008, 12:07 PM, said:

PrecisionL, on Apr 6 2008, 02:19 PM, said:

Well, I like our 2-level openers in a strong club system, similar to Fantunes, but I have been playing them since 1998.

What's the similarity to Fantunes openings??? 10-13 unbalanced is quite different to 5+ cards and no 4 card Major, and 2M 5332 is not unbalanced... They're completely different

I said similar ... I have examples of hands they have opened with a 2 bid and there are hands in the set that do not have a singleton or void, but these usually have a 6-card suit and sometimes a 4-card major. I like my version better .

Larry

[suokko]

I think that one of the best strong club approach are using 1♦ as bal X to Y points or 4M unbal. In competitive auction opener can now bid minor to show bid minor and a major (usually the unbid one).

2♣/♦ are 5+ cards 10-15. either both minors or 6+ in opening suit.

This gives good chance to find the major suit fit without going too high. Also in competition you are usually better positioned than with others openings.

Of course removing the bal hand from 1D opening improves it but it makes some other troubles ... like 1NT 12-15 or something similar

[Vilgan]

benlessard, on Apr 3 2008, 02:16 AM, said:

I think the "classic" response structure after a 2C precision is obsolete. If you work on a nice structure after 2C you will prefer having a 2C precision then having a nebulous 1D or a catch-all 1C. Playing a weak 2 in clubs is something that didnt even crossed my mind.  (and i much prefer the weak 2D then mini-roman).

In mp however the precision 2C opening is a bit painful i agree.

What is a more modern response structure after a 2c opener? I always felt like 1♦ and 2♣ openers were the weak part of precision in MP.

Last time I played precision, did something like:

2d forcing, asks for further description
2h nonforcing, 6-10 (I think the point range is right, has been a while)
2s nonforcing, 6-10
2NT natural, invitational (like 11-12 or a crappy 13)
3c preemptive
3d I forget.. GF w/ club support, slam interest I think
3h/3s GF w/ at least 5
3NT (to play)

I too experienced a lot of missed 4/4 fits if responder was too weak to look. Or if they did look now we are one level higher when opener has to run back to his club suit.

Oh ya, I agree on the mini-roman comment. Its more bearable as like 10-12 than 11-15, but it really sucks (imo) against solid players. Hello trump leads if they defend and near perfect count on the hand at trick 1 if playing it.

[Gerben42]

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2NT natural, invitational (like 11-12 or a crappy 13)
3c preemptive

Balicki - Zmudzinski play:

2NT = Weak with ♣ or GF 5 - 5
3♣ = Invitational

[rbforster]

I really like having 3♣ as a weak/preemptive raise and normally handle the invitational club raise via 2♦(asking)...3♣. Having a forcing 2NT just to get to 3♣ as the signoff gives the defenders some extra ways to show their good hand types.

Gerben42, on Apr 24 2008, 08:30 AM, said:

Balicki - Zmudzinski play:

2NT = Weak with ♣ or GF 5 - 5
3♣ = Invitational

Along these lines, wouldn't you rather have

3♣ preemptive
2N invite with ♣ or GF 5-5

2♣-2N-?

3♣ minimum
.......P invitational in clubs
......3♦ GF 5-5 reds
......3♥ GF 5-5 majors
......3♠ GF 5-5 ♠+♦
3♦ maximum, 3+ fragment in diamonds or both majors
3♥ maximum, 3+ ♥ fragment only
3♠ maximum, 3+ ♠ fragment only
3NT maximum, no 3+ fragment

Seems like you could still get things to work out and not sacrifice your direct preemptive 3♣ raise. Showing fragments with extras should help the invitational club hand evaluate whether NT is safe, while allowing the GF 5-5 hands to determine the right strain.