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Poll: w/w MPs. Do you open in first with KJxxx xx KJx Kxx? (46 member(s) have cast votes)

w/w MPs. Do you open in first with KJxxx xx KJx Kxx?

  1. 1S any colors, any form of scoring (17 votes [36.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.96%

  2. P always (25 votes [54.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.35%

  3. Other (4 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

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#1 User is offline   y66 

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Posted 2008-March-30, 08:22

w/w MPs. Do you open in first with KJxxx xx KJx Kxx? Always?
If you lose all hope, you can always find it again -- Richard Ford in The Sportswriter
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Posted 2008-March-30, 08:36

No Aces and no intermediates, so always passing.
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Posted 2008-March-30, 08:42

Hi,

I have made a decision a long time ago to
pass hands with 5332 shape and 11HCP.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2008-March-30, 08:44

Found these add'l comments about opening minimum balanced hands on a thread from Sept 2007 http://forums.bridge...opic=21037&st=0

OP asked: What does a minimum [balanced] one of a major look like for you in first and second seat?

AKxxx Ax xxx xxx
-- hrothgar and the_hog

Assuming a true balanced hand -- at most, one doubleton -- then I have 12+ HCP. I'm playing strong NT, so don't have a choice to consider 1nt on a balanced 11 that doesn't otherwise qualify for an opening. I'm not opening a balanced 11-HCP, except I'll think about AKxxx with Axx riding along, if the spots in the long suit are good.
-- ralph23

AKxxx Ax xxx xxx is (far) better than my minimums. I'd open AQxxx Kx xxx Qxx for example. But only if that was an agreed upon style, of course.
-- skaeran

KQxxx QJx Ax xxx There will be hands on which I would open with 1S and not with 1H, but this will be a very fine distinction indeed.
-- mikeh

Consistency is most important. Partners won't know what to expect when you claim one day that you open super sound and the other day that you open super-aggressive.
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Posted 2008-March-30, 08:45

I open. The preemptive effect of a 1♠ opening, and partner's good humor, support my decision. (My partners will expect this, which is key.)
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Posted 2008-March-30, 09:01

I don't like to play in a standard system partnership where this is an opener. strong ♣ or weak NT would change this
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Posted 2008-March-30, 09:57

Playing strong club I would open this one, assuming the one of a suit openings include 11-12 bal or some such. Playing standard I open some 5332 11-counts but not this one.
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Posted 2008-March-30, 09:58

Open a 9-11 1NT :rolleyes:
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Posted 2008-March-30, 10:35

Playing with cherdano I would open this ("but you guys don't play a natural system!" awm). Playing with most I would pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-30, 12:07

w/w MP it's just too money to open even if your partner can't cater to it (ie a pickup partnership).
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Posted 2008-March-30, 14:08

Sure, this is an opening hand!
Kind regards,
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Posted 2008-March-30, 17:32

helene_t, on Mar 30 2008, 10:57 AM, said:

Playing strong club I would open this one, assuming the one of a suit openings include 11-12 bal or some such. Playing standard I open some 5332 11-counts but not this one.

I'll go with Helene on this one.
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Posted 2008-March-30, 17:46

As many others over time have mentioned, learning to defend and play the cards is so much more important for most of us at this level.

With that said bidding is fun :)

I think talking about what an opening minimum bid is in first or second seat is really important, whatever you agree, play it!

I remain convinced for players at our level we can still win our brackets if we pass this hand or if we open it. :) Just agree. :)

We can move up the brackets as we learn to play and defend better. :)
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Posted 2008-March-30, 18:27

I would never open this, even playing precision unless I had a couple spot cards or something. I guess w/w matchpoints anything goes though.
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Posted 2008-March-30, 21:11

I voted 1S open, but it's borderline. Replace a K with QJ and I'd Pass. My regular F2F partner knows I may have stretched. I don't hate my rebids.

Apparently, if I'm playing with Csaba or Helene, as I sometimes do, I might have to rethink this and Pass - but I usually play somewhat unusual systems (e.g. EHAA) with them so I might have other options - it probably qualifies as a 1NT (or 2♠) opener.
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Posted 2008-March-31, 09:35

I'm starting to open lighter than I used to, but this one is still too far for me.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2008-March-31, 09:40

jdonn, on Mar 30 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

I would never open this, even playing precision unless I had a couple spot cards or something. I guess w/w matchpoints anything goes though.

Same here. Have we really lost the spade suit by passing? I don't think so.

w/w MPs is fun, but partner's glares as he puts down a 12 in 3N as we go bake 2 are not.
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Posted 2008-March-31, 09:46

pclayton, on Mar 31 2008, 10:40 AM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 30 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

I would never open this, even playing precision unless I had a couple spot cards or something. I guess w/w matchpoints anything goes though.

Same here. Have we really lost the spade suit by passing? I don't think so.

w/w MPs is fun, but partner's glares as he puts down a 12 in 3N as we go bake 2 are not.

This is one of the advantages of social rubber bridge. You immediately ask partner to refill the salsa and serve everyone drinks, then play quickly and complain about poor splits. :) ;) ;)
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2008-March-31, 11:20

vuroth, on Mar 31 2008, 03:46 PM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 31 2008, 10:40 AM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 30 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

I would never open this, even playing precision unless I had a couple spot cards or something. I guess w/w matchpoints anything goes though.

Same here. Have we really lost the spade suit by passing? I don't think so.

w/w MPs is fun, but partner's glares as he puts down a 12 in 3N as we go bake 2 are not.

This is one of the advantages of social rubber bridge. You immediately ask partner to refill the salsa and serve everyone drinks, then play quickly and complain about poor splits. :) :) :ph34r:

I take it that you don't mention that the poor split was in HCP (They split too many to the opponents, not enough to you).
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Posted 2008-March-31, 11:24

I've just got to bid....

KJxxx
xx
KJx
Kxx

HCP = 12
Control pts = 3
Distributional points = 11
Total ZARS = 26, plus I have a spade suit (zar claims 25 with spades is enough).

I open without hesitation. I sometimes get burned too... :)
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