[y66]

w/r at MPs

T9x AQ8xx xx QTx

Pard opens 1D in third, we bid 1H, pard bids 2S. Now what?

We've read mikeh's primer on reverse bidding and we are playing Ingberman (works the same as Lebensohl on this sequence).

[Gerben42]

In that case I bid 2NT followed by 3NT, showing a ♣-stopper.

[han]

This is not a reverse, it is a jump shift. That is different because it shows a stronger hand and there is less need to play ingberman. I would bid 3H regardless.

EDIT: thought I had 6 hearts. Now it's 2NT regardless.

[cherdano]

I would just bid 2N, natural. Many strains could be right, probably the one partner is going to bid next.

[jillybean]

This is not a reverse. I would show some ♠ interest 3♠

[kenrexford]

I think I'm bidding 2NT here. We can always re-check on diamonds, spades, or hearts after 2NT. Initially, I was concerned about playing 3NT from my side. But, I then considered partner with Kx/Ax in clubs. If a club lead goes through me, my LHO with (A/K)J9(x)(x) can cause problems. However, a lead into my Q10x assures two stops.

[mikeh]

Thanks for the promo

But the others are correct: this is not a reverse. It is a jumpshift. I usually describe this kind of bid as a jump reverse, to differentiate it from a jumpshift into a lower-ranking suit: say, 1♦ followed by 3♣. The only difference is that in the jump reverse, the second suit is shorter than the first, while in the full-blooded jumpshift to the 3 level, the second suit is never longer than the first but may be of equal length.

In addition, the jump reverse lends itself to using 2N as an artificial followup, akin to but not the same as Ingerberman over a reverse. It is not the same, because reverses are (not usually played as) forcing to game and so Ingerberman allows the partnership to stop in a partial. A jump reverse is forcing to game.

On the given hand, I have, I think, an easy 2N call. I have a club stopper (of sorts) and nothing else makes sense.

Rebidding 3♥ will endplay partner in the auction too many times. Give him a 4=2=5=2 and he won't know whether to raise hearts (you will often hold 6 or more) or to bid 3N, and, if he has Ax or Kx, you would be better placed as declarer if they lead that suit, as they are wont to do. And you really can't raise his suits, at least, not yet (if at all).

[andy_h]

2NT natural, and await for further developments.

[y66]

Not a reverse? Yup. Of course. Where's the red-faced smiley icon?

Like 2N now.

[gwnn]

3♠ is a very bad bid, since partner usually has 4 cards. He'll rebid a 5 carder.
3♥ I don't like because this is not a good 5 card suit - I'd like partner to be able to raise me on a doubleton.
2NT is what's left so that's what I'll bid.

[Cascade]

jillybean2, on Mar 29 2008, 04:22 AM, said:

This is not a reverse. I would show some ♠ interest 3♠

Almost never raise partner's second suit with only three.

Opening partner's first suit (major) with three is fine:

I do this after a 1♥/♠ opening in a four-card major system;

1minor 1Major; 2Major is standard with three when other bids are unsuitable.

But we do this with some anticipation of finding a 5-3 fit or a good 4-3 fit. When partner starts with one suit and then bids a second this is much less likely. Rarely will partner have five of the second suit so we will not find a 5-3 fit and the 4-3 fits are less likely to be playable since partner who has bid two suits is likely to be short in at least one of the other suits and therefore is susceptible to being forced to ruff in the long trump (4-card) hand early in the play. This will only work if we can play a complete cross-ruff or maybe if trumps break 3=3.

[jillybean]

I havent seen many jump shifts but those I have were strong and very distributional hands, unsuitable for a 2nt rebid. 6520, 6521 type hands so a 3♠ bid is far more preferable to 3♥ for me.

But what do I know, I have a disasterous record in jump shifts with most auctions stopping below game

[han]

It is true that partner could be distributional but if you bid 2NT first then you will find out soon. It leaves all the room for partner to show you what she has.

If you bid 3S immediately then partner will think that you have 4 spades.

You should bid your hand, let partner bids hers.

[Stephen Tu]

Quote

It is a jumpshift. I usually describe this kind of bid as a jump reverse, to differentiate it from a jumpshift into a lower-ranking suit.

Bridge literature calls this a jump shift. A jump reverse is something like 1♦-1♠-3♥, commonly played a splinter, invitational+ raise these days since a normal reverse is forcing (in very olden times simply reversing was passable, so the jump reverse was just the same hand but stronger).

Agree w/ everyone on 2nt.

[jdonn]

han, on Mar 28 2008, 06:44 PM, said:

It is true that partner could be distributional but if you bid 2NT first then you will find out soon. It leaves all the room for partner to show you what she has.

If you bid 3S immediately then partner will think that you have 4 spades.

You should bid your hand, let partner bids hers.

Bingo. There is so much to be said for making the cheapest bid in these situations as long as it's a reasonable bid, to let partner continue to describe his hand. If partner has any extra distribution at all, or not, you will know exactly what to do based on his next bid.

3♣ --> partner is short in hearts and we have no fit, so 3NT.
3♦ --> we already showed our moderate club stopper and pretty much denied 6 hearts, but we have 5 good ones, so 3♥.
3♥ --> we have a heart fit, so 4♥.
3♠ --> we have a spade fit, so 4♠.
3NT --> we don't have any fit and all suits are taken care of, so pass.

Raising partner's second suit directly, whether it was a jump or not, shows (at least) 4 card support.

[P_Marlowe]

y66, on Mar 28 2008, 09:56 AM, said:

w/r at MPs

T9x AQ8xx xx QTx

Pard opens 1D in third, we bid 1H, pard bids 2S.  Now what?

We've read mikeh's primer on reverse bidding and we are playing Ingberman (works the same as Lebensohl on this sequence).

2S is not a reverse, 2S is a jump shift
and forces to game.
=> You may or may not play 2NT in
this situation as Lebensohl, but this
certainly not standard.

I would suggest you bid 3C as FSF,
the advantage being that 3NT will
be declared from the right side.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[han]

3C is awful, why would you make such an ambiguous bid when you have a perfect bid available? And why would you want to declare from the other side? Don't you have good positional values?

[P_Marlowe]

Sry, I forgot the actual hand, I have
a club stopper, I should show the club
stopper, ... I agree.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

I have a balanced hand.
I have no fit for partner's suit.
I have two honors in the unbid suit.
2NT is the cheapest available bid.
wtp?