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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2008-March-26, 11:35


Dealer: West
Vul: NS
Scoring: IMP
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♥ QT52
♦ AKQJ
♣ K8764


West North East South

 1♠    Pass  3♠    ? 

double now, 4♠ or never?
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Posted 2008-March-26, 11:40

Double wtp? We have a really nice hand if partner has a good fit in any suit.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 11:41

You have to double. (And to preempt mike777, Larry Cohen would also "double wtp".)
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Posted 2008-March-26, 11:41

Obvious dbl. You have to act on shapely strong hands like this.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 12:07

oh well I thought is not good to use t/o with void. I suppose at this level if pard pass we ok with that.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 15:34

Double - no other choices.
Pass is really bad. If you don't double on these hands, you will regularly get robbed blind.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 15:49

crack it
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Posted 2008-March-26, 16:04

Double as you'll often have game. I wouldn't dream of not fighting for this hand.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 17:56

jocdelevat, on Mar 26 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

oh well I thought is not good to use t/o with void. I suppose at this level if pard pass we ok with that.

The auction has gone 1♠ P 3♠, so they should have a 9 card fit. If partner's looking at 4 of them, hopefully he can count to 13. If he's looking at 3 of them, I doubt he'll leave it in.

This is different from RHO opening 2♠, where only 6 spades are known. There, doubling with a void is riskier.

Geez, I sound like I know what I'm talking about. You know better by now, I hope.
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Posted 2008-March-26, 18:49

jocdelevat, on Mar 26 2008, 11:07 AM, said:

oh well I thought is not good to use t/o with void. I suppose at this level if pard pass we ok with that.

This sounds like one of the “rules” I learned and am now trying to forget. :)

Here’s the full hand.



Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 1♠    Pass  3♠    Pass
 4♠    Pass  Pass  Pass
 
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Posted 2008-March-26, 18:54

I think the warning not to double with a void is good, but it's not more than that. Here there is no reasonable alternative (there often isn't).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-26, 19:16

If you never double with a void then some hands are just too hard to bid. This is one of them.

The only "never" in bridge is "never say never".

Or as one of my partner's puts it "never" is synonymous with "occasionally".
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Posted 2008-March-27, 05:07

funny... our side has 19 hcp and should "save" against their game.
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Posted 2008-March-27, 10:45

whereagles, on Mar 27 2008, 03:07 AM, said:

funny... our side has 19 hcp and should "save" against their game.

We are red/white. I think on a spade lead (which seems normal enough) it's going to be down 3 and will be down 2 in practice much of the time.
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