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Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     -     Pass
 Pass  2♣    Pass  2♦
 Pass  4♥    Pass  ?


2d waiting(I play) no agreement. pick up pard advanced very good payer.

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Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     4♥    Pass  ?

[Cascade]

Pass both hands.

On 1. I think partner has something like one of these hands with 10 solid and not much else (unless i clearly know different from partnership agreement).

[the hog]

Agree with Wayne. Pass both hands.

[effervesce]

Pass both.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 A good partner would have bid 2H, maybe 3H, but he
never bids an undiscussed 4H.
I would go with 4NT, but wont be surprised, if pass
is right, afterall 3H should be stronger than 4H.

#2 Pass, no second choice.
give him AKQxxxx and the king of diamonds, and
opening bid, and slam has no chance at all.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

hand 2 is a clear pass.

hand 1 also because if pard were interested in slam, he'd have bid 2/3♥ instead. You're not required to pass his 4♥, but, if you bid on, you should have fit + aces. You have neither of those, so you should pass.

[joker_gib]

Pass both

[skjaeran]

Clear pass on both.

The 1st one I've got agreement with all my regular partners. Partner's got a long solid suit. 9-9.5 tricks. How much he's got outside the suit depends on the lenght of his suit.

[jdonn]

skaeran, on Mar 25 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

Clear pass on both.

The 1st one I've got agreement with all my regular partners. Partner's got a long solid suit. 9-9.5 tricks. How much he's got outside the suit depends on the lenght of his suit.

I once saw Zia make this bid and Rosenberg alerted and explained as "he needs 2 aces plus something more for slam." Sounds like almost exactly the same as you play it.

I like pass on both.

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Mar 26 2008, 12:22 AM, said:

skaeran, on Mar 25 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

Clear pass on both.

The 1st one I've got agreement with all my regular partners. Partner's got a long solid suit. 9-9.5 tricks. How much he's got outside the suit depends on the lenght of his suit.

I once saw Zia make this bid and Rosenberg alerted and explained as "he needs 2 aces plus something more for slam." Sounds like almost exactly the same as you play it.

I like pass on both.

Of course. I got that idea over to Zia in Reykjavik ages ago.

[neilkaz]

Pass both as well and also expect PD to have a 9 to 10 trick ♥ hand in #1 and not much outside.

[effervesce]

neilkaz, on Mar 26 2008, 05:07 PM, said:

Pass both as well and also expect PD to have a 9 to 10 trick ♥ hand in #1 and not much outside.

Not much outside? The way I learned things, a 2♣ opener needs 4 quick tricks. Thus Ax AKQJxxx Ax xx is a minimumish hand for a 2♣ opener.

[neilkaz]

effervesce, on Mar 28 2008, 01:59 AM, said:

neilkaz, on Mar 26 2008, 05:07 PM, said:

Pass both as well and also expect PD to have a 9 to 10 trick ♥ hand in #1 and not much outside.

Not much outside? The way I learned things, a 2♣ opener needs 4 quick tricks. Thus Ax AKQJxxx Ax xx is a minimumish hand for a 2♣ opener.

Your method is what I usually play, but some people would open 2♣ with just about any 9 to 10 trick hand with very long ♥. They rebid 4♥ here after 2♦ with that type of hand, and, 2♥ (100% forcing off course) with the strong typical hand you show.