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#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2008-February-09, 06:11

1:2
2:3
4:4
4:4

What would you expect for responder's bidding, and what is the status of 4?

Edit: Playing 2/1 GF, sorry forgot to say that.
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Posted 2008-February-09, 07:05

Strong hand, most likely 4 hearts (could be a manufactured suit), 6 clubs, controls in diamonds and spades.
4 is not an offer to play, it is a cue on the way to a bunch of clubs.

It is not clear why partner is cueing 4 instead of asking for keycards - perhaps his clubs are solid and he wants to hear about second round , perhaps the response to show no keycards is 5. Doesn't matter; once he has bid 4, clubs have been set.
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Posted 2008-February-09, 07:14

We are playing 2/1, right? Otherwise responder would have a problem showing slam interest with spade support. But OK, in that case he should probably have bid 4 over 4, or, with a stronger hand, accept that clubs are trump, planning to correct 6 to 6.
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Posted 2008-February-09, 08:51

3H looks like a 6-5 hand, or some sort of 1435 hand that has no D stopper but even with that sort of hands I think I'd tend to bid 2NT anyway since 3H takes a lot of room. 4C sets clubs, 4D-4H-4S are all cues to follow. 4S could be an ace, or stiff king, or maybe even Q(x).
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Posted 2008-February-09, 09:03

Obviously, if you have been on BBF for a while, you will know that this question is loaded and likely to yield a multitude of responses, depending upon any number of pre-cue variations and cue variations, key card agreements, and the like.

For me, FWIW:

1 = spades, opening strength
2 = GF, could be a fragment if spade support
2 = six-card suit
3 = clubs real, no spade fit, heart feature/fragment+; poss'ly NT probe
4 = no diamond NT help, club fit
4 = LTTC; seems to be checking for a diamond shortness control
4 = Cheapest (and only) out-of-focus major, so RKCB (1430) for clubs
4 = 1 (or 4) KC's.

I'd expect Responder's hand to look like:

Q KQJx xxx AQJ10x

Weird, though.
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Posted 2008-February-09, 10:35

I play 3 promises either 5-6 or concentrated 4-6. Everything through 4 is natural. then cuebids. Normally I play responder cuebidding opener's major is NF, but when he has bid all the other suits already I don't think that should be the case. I think responder cuebids 4 here when his hand is mostly keycards, it will often be better for opener to bid keycard in that case since he knows how good his spades are.
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Posted 2008-February-11, 02:25

Obviously you should have an agreement :o

With that I would play that 4 Club is RKCB for Clubs and 4 Diamond shows 1 or 4 4 Heart asking for the queen of clubs and 4 Spade shows the queen and the king of spade.

Another idea would be to show a control and in this case 4 Spade is a cuebid too.
I would hate to play this treatment, but this is what I would suspect in the MBC.

Obviously you can use 4 Spade as an LTTC and asking for a spade control too.
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Posted 2008-February-11, 02:37

1 natural
- 2 natural GF
2 minimum with or 6 cards
- 3 must have slam interest, partner skipped this suit
4 I have a minimum with fit
- 4 Cuebid
4 Cuebid (not a singleton in pds suit)
- 4 Cuebid

I'm still going to try and get partner play Kantar's RKC, then 4 would be RKC and 4NT replaces the cuebid.
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Posted 2008-February-11, 03:31

Gerben42, on Feb 11 2008, 09:37 AM, said:

1 natural
- 2 natural GF
2 minimum with or 6 cards
- 3 must have slam interest, partner skipped this suit

Is that really playable? What is responder supposed to bid with xx AKJx xx AJ9xx ?
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Posted 2008-February-11, 09:59

jdonn, on Feb 9 2008, 11:35 AM, said:

I play 3 promises either 5-6 or concentrated 4-6. Everything through 4 is natural. then cuebids.

Ditto.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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