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Slam-going auction
#1
Posted 2008-February-09, 06:11
1♠:2♣
2♠:3♥
4♣:4♦
4♥:4♠
What would you expect for responder's bidding, and what is the status of 4♠?
Edit: Playing 2/1 GF, sorry forgot to say that.
2♠:3♥
4♣:4♦
4♥:4♠
What would you expect for responder's bidding, and what is the status of 4♠?
Edit: Playing 2/1 GF, sorry forgot to say that.
#2
Posted 2008-February-09, 07:05
Strong hand, most likely 4 hearts (could be a manufactured suit), 6 clubs, controls in diamonds and spades.
4♠ is not an offer to play, it is a cue on the way to a bunch of clubs.
It is not clear why partner is cueing 4♠ instead of asking for keycards - perhaps his clubs are solid and he wants to hear about second round ♦, perhaps the response to show no keycards is 5♦. Doesn't matter; once he has bid 4♦, clubs have been set.
4♠ is not an offer to play, it is a cue on the way to a bunch of clubs.
It is not clear why partner is cueing 4♠ instead of asking for keycards - perhaps his clubs are solid and he wants to hear about second round ♦, perhaps the response to show no keycards is 5♦. Doesn't matter; once he has bid 4♦, clubs have been set.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
#3
Posted 2008-February-09, 07:14
We are playing 2/1, right? Otherwise responder would have a problem showing slam interest with spade support. But OK, in that case he should probably have bid 4♠ over 4♣, or, with a stronger hand, accept that clubs are trump, planning to correct 6♣ to 6♠.
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#4
Posted 2008-February-09, 08:51
3H looks like a 6-5 hand, or some sort of 1435 hand that has no D stopper but even with that sort of hands I think I'd tend to bid 2NT anyway since 3H takes a lot of room. 4C sets clubs, 4D-4H-4S are all cues to follow. 4S could be an ace, or stiff king, or maybe even Q(x).
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#5
Posted 2008-February-09, 09:03
Obviously, if you have been on BBF for a while, you will know that this question is loaded and likely to yield a multitude of responses, depending upon any number of pre-cue variations and cue variations, key card agreements, and the like.
For me, FWIW:
1♠ = spades, opening strength
2♣ = GF, could be a fragment if spade support
2♠ = six-card suit
3♥ = clubs real, no spade fit, heart feature/fragment+; poss'ly NT probe
4♣ = no diamond NT help, club fit
4♦ = LTTC; seems to be checking for a diamond shortness control
4♥ = Cheapest (and only) out-of-focus major, so RKCB (1430) for clubs
4♠ = 1 (or 4) KC's.
I'd expect Responder's hand to look like:
♠Q ♥KQJx ♦xxx ♣AQJ10x
Weird, though.
For me, FWIW:
1♠ = spades, opening strength
2♣ = GF, could be a fragment if spade support
2♠ = six-card suit
3♥ = clubs real, no spade fit, heart feature/fragment+; poss'ly NT probe
4♣ = no diamond NT help, club fit
4♦ = LTTC; seems to be checking for a diamond shortness control
4♥ = Cheapest (and only) out-of-focus major, so RKCB (1430) for clubs
4♠ = 1 (or 4) KC's.
I'd expect Responder's hand to look like:
♠Q ♥KQJx ♦xxx ♣AQJ10x
Weird, though.
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#6
Posted 2008-February-09, 10:35
I play 3♥ promises either 5-6 or concentrated 4-6. Everything through 4♣ is natural. then cuebids. Normally I play responder cuebidding opener's major is NF, but when he has bid all the other suits already I don't think that should be the case. I think responder cuebids 4♠ here when his hand is mostly keycards, it will often be better for opener to bid keycard in that case since he knows how good his spades are.
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#7
Posted 2008-February-11, 02:25
Obviously you should have an agreement
With that I would play that 4 Club is RKCB for Clubs and 4 Diamond shows 1 or 4 4 Heart asking for the queen of clubs and 4 Spade shows the queen and the king of spade.
Another idea would be to show a control and in this case 4 Spade is a cuebid too.
I would hate to play this treatment, but this is what I would suspect in the MBC.
Obviously you can use 4 Spade as an LTTC and asking for a spade control too.
Who knows.
With that I would play that 4 Club is RKCB for Clubs and 4 Diamond shows 1 or 4 4 Heart asking for the queen of clubs and 4 Spade shows the queen and the king of spade.
Another idea would be to show a control and in this case 4 Spade is a cuebid too.
I would hate to play this treatment, but this is what I would suspect in the MBC.
Obviously you can use 4 Spade as an LTTC and asking for a spade control too.
Who knows.
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#8
Posted 2008-February-11, 02:37
1♠ natural
- 2♣ natural GF
2♠ minimum with ♣ or 6 cards
- 3♥ must have slam interest, partner skipped this suit
4♣ I have a minimum with ♣ fit
- 4♦ Cuebid
4♥ Cuebid (not a singleton in pds suit)
- 4♠ Cuebid
I'm still going to try and get partner play Kantar's RKC, then 4♦ would be RKC and 4NT replaces the ♦ cuebid.
- 2♣ natural GF
2♠ minimum with ♣ or 6 cards
- 3♥ must have slam interest, partner skipped this suit
4♣ I have a minimum with ♣ fit
- 4♦ Cuebid
4♥ Cuebid (not a singleton in pds suit)
- 4♠ Cuebid
I'm still going to try and get partner play Kantar's RKC, then 4♦ would be RKC and 4NT replaces the ♦ cuebid.
#9
Posted 2008-February-11, 03:31
Gerben42, on Feb 11 2008, 09:37 AM, said:
1♠ natural
- 2♣ natural GF
2♠ minimum with ♣ or 6 cards
- 3♥ must have slam interest, partner skipped this suit
- 2♣ natural GF
2♠ minimum with ♣ or 6 cards
- 3♥ must have slam interest, partner skipped this suit
Is that really playable? What is responder supposed to bid with xx AKJx xx AJ9xx ?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
#10
Posted 2008-February-11, 09:59
jdonn, on Feb 9 2008, 11:35 AM, said:
I play 3♥ promises either 5-6 or concentrated 4-6. Everything through 4♣ is natural. then cuebids.
Ditto.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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