[gwnn]

Scoring: MP

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S passes and it goes:

p-p-1♣*-3♦
X-p-4♣-end

*15 or more hcp, 16 if balanced
X is about 6+

Couple of questions here:

1) What strength should X show? A Local Expert told me X should just be GF.
2) What should N bid over the X?
 2'): if you don't think 4♣ is a good bid, what should a 4♣ bid look like?
3) What should S bid over 4♣ (i.e. he assumes N has the hand you described in 2')
4) What should the full, correct auction be?

thanks.

[gwnn]

Should opener's 4M rebid show 5 cards?

[jwmonty]

Opener's 3M rebid over the double should guarantee a five-card suit 100% of the time. Otherwise, it becomes impossible to find 5-3 fits with assurance. Getting to 4-3 fits is not a good idea in an auction where you expect a bad trump break.

The way to get to your 4-4 major fits is by using choice-of-games cuebids. A cuebid of four of the opponents' suit, by either partner, is presumed to be looking for a suit and showing at least two places to play. It is not a slam try.

The auction could go P-(P), 1C-(3D), X-(P), 4D-(P), 4H-(P), 4S. Opener's 4D bid shows at least two places to play, at least one of which must be a major. Responder bids 4H, natural, in case hearts is one of those places to play. Opener then bids 4S, showing a four-card spade suit with clubs also (the only possibility for his other place to play), and the fit is found. Another way to do the same thing is P-(P), 1C-(3D), X-(P), 4C-(P), 4D-(P), 4S. Opener rebids 4C to show his main suit, and responder's 4D bid asks for a major. Responder could have one major plus club support, intending to go back to 5C if opener bids the major he doesn't have. Here, he has both majors, and doesn't care which one opener bids.

In the second auction, responder can't bid 4D and then go back to 5C to show a slam try in clubs, because that sequence simply shows that he doesn't like whichever major opener bids over 4D. The way to show a slam try in clubs, if that is what you want to do, is to bid 4NT over 4C. The partnership has already rejected notrump as a place to play (because nobody was willing to bid 3NT), so this can't be natural. It also shouldn't be any sort of Blackwood, because opener has a wide range for his 4C bid and a generalized slam invitation is more important.

[jtfanclub]

Jlall, on Feb 2 2008, 02:03 PM, said:

Totally agree with your local expert, it is not playable to play X as not GF. North has to be able to bid 3x forcing, otherwise he is forced to jump and it all becomes one horrible guessing game

Here's what I don't get. Had this come up in a tourney today with Flader directing.

1♦ (3♥) 3♠

I was opener (4+ diamonds, 11-15 hcp). I passed 3 spades, and nobody commented at the table.

I claim that playing X here as anything less than GF is impossible. Therefore, 3♠ should show a hand with lots of spades but not enough to force game. Mike thinks that's not just unusual, but alertable.

This should be the same in standard as in Precision. What is standard? Is X GF? Is 3♠?

[han]

JT, 3S NF is very unusual in the US and is therefore alertable. Only few people play negative freebids and even fewer play them at the 3-level.

[skjaeran]

Hannie, on Feb 3 2008, 03:27 AM, said:

JT, 3S NF is very unusual in the US and is therefore alertable. Only few people play negative freebids and even fewer play them at the 3-level.

They're alertable at all levels in Norway.

[Free]

1) What strength should X show? A Local Expert told me X should just be GF.
Either you play any GF, or you play takeout doubles (weaker, but with the apropriate shape)

2) What should N bid over the X?
Depends on the Dbl ofcourse But always ♠ imo.

3) What should S bid over 4♣ (i.e. he assumes N has the hand you described in 2')
5♣ imo

4) What should the full, correct auction be?
Playing takeout doubles:
pass - pass - 1♣ -3♦
Dbl - pass - 4♠ - end
Playing GF doubles: like Justin

[csdenmark]

gwnn, on Feb 2 2008, 08:58 PM, said:

Dealer: South Vul: E/W Scoring: MP

♠ AQJx ♥ xx ♦ K ♣ AKxxxx ♠ Kxxx ♥ Axxx ♦ x ♣ JT9x

S passes and it goes:

p-p-1♣*-3♦
X-p-4♣-end

*15 or more hcp, 16 if balanced
X is about 6+

Couple of questions here:

1) What strength should X show? A Local Expert told me X should just be GF.
2) What should N bid over the X?
 2'): if you don't think 4♣ is a good bid, what should a 4♣ bid look like?
3) What should S bid over 4♣ (i.e. he assumes N has the hand you described in 2')
4) What should the full, correct auction be?

thanks.

Anything but pass is Game Force.

1)Double=4+♦, invite pass for penalty
2)I dont take this double serious as the end of the auction clearly indicates responder is not qualified
3)5♣
4)pass-pass-1♣-3♦
3♥(5+♥ or 4+♥ + 4+♠)-pass-3♠-pass
4♦(slam try, ♠ agreed)-pass-5♣(CUE)-pass
5♥(CUE)-pass-5♠(CUE)-pass
6♠(CUE)-pass-pass-pass

[gwnn]

OK Claus, at least we got a plus score