[jmc]

Scoring: IMP

Partner opens 1C and opponents are silent throughout.

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Auction is as follows: 1c-1S-2D-3C-3H what is your next bid? Consider your partner is a decent player and you might have once discussed lebensol in this sequence.

jmc

[655321]

I don't know what my next bid is because my previous bid was 4♣, not 3♣.
Even though 3♣ is forcing (by agreement) it does not tell partner how happy I am with clubs.

[FrancesHinden]

655321, on Jan 17 2008, 11:38 AM, said:

I don't know what my next bid is because my previous bid was 4♣, not 3♣.
Even though 3♣ is forcing (by agreement) it does not tell partner how happy I am with clubs.

me too

[helene_t]

Agree with 4♣ on previous round. Now 4♣, then.

[Codo]

At the table I had bid 3 Club, but in that case I had known, what 3 Heart is.
Is this a control, a pattern or 4sf asking for stopper?

Without knowing this, I better had bid 4 Club last round.

[ArtK78]

And all of you had better be sure that 4♣ is not a splinter in support of diamonds.

[whereagles]

You don't splinter on pard's 5-card suit. At least you shouldn't, because it's statistically unlikely for it to be of interest.

Anyway, I'd bid 4NT if pard takes that as RKCB for clubs. If there's a risk of mix-up, 4♣.

[kenrexford]

3♣ the first time seems right.

It depends on agreements what next, whether 3♠, or my preference of 4♦, if you want to be cautious. However, I think I know enough. 4♥ RKCB for clubs.

[P_Marlowe]

jmc, on Jan 17 2008, 05:32 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Partner opens 1C and opponents are silent throughout.

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Auction is as follows: 1c-1S-2D-3C-3H what is your next bid? Consider your partner is a decent player and you might have once discussed lebensol in this sequence.

jmc

Hi,

Just reformatting

1C-1S
2D-3C
3H-???

3S

Given that 3C did create a game
forcing sequence, I would now
make a cue bid, over 3NT I bid
4C.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[ArtK78]

whereagles, on Jan 17 2008, 08:43 AM, said:

You don't splinter on pard's 5-card suit. At least you shouldn't, because it's statistically unlikely for it to be of interest.

Anyway, I'd bid 4NT if pard takes that as RKCB for clubs. If there's a risk of mix-up, 4♣.

I know for a fact that in the original Romex system, either partner could agree to partner's second bid suit by splintering in partner's first bid suit, even when that suit was known to be 5 cards or more in length, i.e.:

1♥ - 2♣*
2♦ - 3♥**


* Game Forcing
** Splinter

There is no reason why it cannot be a splinter in this auction or in the auction in this thread when a simple bid in partner's suit is forcing and natural.

[whereagles]

ArtK, there are solid arguments for playing 2♥ and 3♥ both as raises of hearts (just check page 6 of 2/1 Gitelman thread).

You can play 3♥ as splinter, of course. Just that most of the time opener will have hcp wastage in hearts, so splinter becomes kinda pointless most of the time.

[mike777]

jmc, on Jan 17 2008, 05:32 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Partner opens 1C and opponents are silent throughout.

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Auction is as follows: 1c-1S-2D-3C-3H what is your next bid?  Consider your partner is a decent player and you might have once discussed lebensol in this sequence.

jmc

Partner has reversed....3c for me is game force 10+...no problem yet.
With less I am forced to bid 2nt with this hand.

I think 3c is fine...just fine.....
Prefer to not cuebid 3s, which just might confuse things.

4c now ..no problem yet.

[jdonn]

Strongly disagree with 4♣ last round. It is clearly natural but it shows much better controls than this. Textbook examples are usually something more like Axxx Kxx xx AQxx. Right now I'll bid 5♣ to emphasize my length, having already shown the values and not having any controls really worth showing. I think 3♣ then 5♣ was the perfect sequence for this hand.

4♣ this round is a lazy bid.

[ArtK78]

whereagles, on Jan 17 2008, 10:25 AM, said:

ArtK, there are solid arguments for playing 2♥ and 3♥ both as raises of hearts (just check page 6 of 2/1 Gitelman thread).

You can play 3♥ as splinter, of course. Just that most of the time opener will have hcp wastage in hearts, so splinter becomes kinda pointless most of the time.

Or it could show that there is no wastage, or point out the need to slow things down and play 3NT.

[han]

I'm with jdown again.

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Jan 17 2008, 04:52 PM, said:

Textbook examples are usually something more like Axxx Kxx xx AQxx.

geez, opposite pard's reverse, that's quite a monster. I don't think I'll ever have that hand

Still, I agree with you that 5♣ now is probably more descriptive. However, it does have the inconvenience of "preempting" a strong pard.

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Jan 17 2008, 12:07 PM, said:

Still, I agree with you that 5♣ now is probably more descriptive. However, it does have the inconvenience of "preempting" a strong pard.

Yeah I hate when partners describe their hands beautifully by using all the room available to them, leaving me to make a well informed decision.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Jan 17 2008, 08:52 AM, said:

Strongly disagree with 4♣ last round. It is clearly natural but it shows much better controls than this. Textbook examples are usually something more like Axxx Kxx xx AQxx. Right now I'll bid 5♣ to emphasize my length, having already shown the values and not having any controls really worth showing. I think 3♣ then 5♣ was the perfect sequence for this hand.

4♣ this round is a lazy bid.

If 4♣ is forcing, I don't think its lazy at all. 5♣ seems misdecriptive and unilateral to me. I would bid 5♣ on something like: KJxx, xx, xx, Kxxxx

Personally, I love this hand. In spite of the wasted ♠K, everything is working overtime. Opposite a very typical x Axx AKxx AQxxx 6 is gin. Do you think pard is moving over 5♣ with that?

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Jan 17 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

Yeah I hate when partners describe their hands beautifully by using all the room available to them, leaving me to make a well informed decision.

Indeed. A descriptive leap to 5♣ is especially useful if you have, say

A
QJx
AKxx
Axxxx

/irony mode OFF

[jmc]

If you bid 4C partner bids 4D. What do you bid now?

jmc