[skjaeran]

I strongly agree with the sequence in the OP - well bid.

Btw, in a KO teams match tonight I held J9xxx x KQxx Kxx
Partner opened 1♥ and rebid 2♣ over my 1♠. I gave preference to 2♥ and partner then came back with (the hoped for) 2♠. At red and 21 down at half time I just jumped to game. Partner had AKx KQxxx J QJTx. When nothing nice happened in trumps I went down though.

[jdonn]

ArtK78, on Jan 16 2008, 02:19 PM, said:

cherdano, on Jan 16 2008, 02:06 PM, said:

ArtK78, on Jan 16 2008, 01:00 PM, said:

2♠ is much better than 2♦.

I strongly disagree. Much better to bid 2♦, planning to bid 2♠ over the likely 2♥ correction. This gives a much better description of your strength AND your shape, it tends to show 3541 with extras (this hand is on top end of the range for that sequence).

The reason that I find that 2♠ is the better call is that it is more likely that partner will carry on towards game over 2♠ with any excuse.

More likely to pass over the bid showing about 12-18 than the bid showing about 12-14?

Edit: Apologies I didn't see page 2 of the thread, didn't mean to stick my nose in and repeat what's already been said several times. Needless to say I completely agree with awm.

[MFA]

2♦ is the normal bid, but it certainly wouldn't be absurd to upgrade to a 3♦ rebid, though. Not just because I have 17 hcp and 3541, but because I have THESE 17 hcp and 3541. Give partner ♠Kxxxx out and we have play in 4♠.

Btw, before switching to strong club, I used to play 1♥-1♠,3♦-3♥ as "4th suit forcing", since 4♣>3NT. 4♣ would then be a slam try in ♥.

[FrancesHinden]

sceptic, on Jan 16 2008, 08:25 PM, said:

another question please,

I thought 2 diamonds was the right bid I should make, but I am a bit unsure of the correct continuation afterwards

had my pard bid 2 hearts (OBVIOUSLY IF HE HAD A DIFFERENT HAND) what should 3 spade bid show? a splinter? extra strength (top of the range)

what would 2 spades show?, a patterned out hand and as strong as a 2 diamond bid could be without a jump initially?

1H - 1S - 2D - 2H - ?

2S = a patterned out hand and as strong as a 2 diamond bid could be without a jump initially

3S = I don't think this really exists. I would expect some sort of 3550 or 3640 that forgot to bid 3D last round.

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another question I have been asked is, why is 3 diamonds not the bid as a lot of people say they would automatically bid that as I am to strong for 2 diamonds

It is quite close, and depends a bit on your responsive style. Personally I would want the queen of spades or diamonds in addition before bidding 3D.

[P_Marlowe]

sceptic, on Jan 16 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

another question I have been asked is, why is 3 diamonds not the bid as a lot of people say they would automatically bid that as I am to strong for 2 diamonds

3D forces to game.

And just ask yourself if you want to commit
to game oppossite a min. 1S response, which
could be made on 6HCP (even less) and a
bal. shape, if you say, yes, I am strong enough,
than go ahead, but most would say no.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Trumpace]

Sorry for adding (possibly irrelevant) post so late.

I think this hand is a good candidate for doing some kind of simulation.

We need to know the % of minimum hands with which pard will pass 2♦ and we miss a game. (I am assuming with non-min response from pd, we will be in game no matter what).

Given the vulnerability and scoring, seems like stretching a bit to force game should atleast be considered...