[dburn]

Scoring: IMP

---

RHO passes, you open 1♥. LHO bids 1♠, partner bids 2♦. RHO bids 2♠, you bid 3♣. LHO bids 3♠, partner doubles, and RHO passes. Your turn.

[whereagles]

4C wtp?

[655321]

4♣

On the previous round (assuming it was available as a natural bid) I prefer 4♣.

Partner may be 4153: Opponents probably have 9 card ♠, and a singleton ♥ is also likely, given that partner has made a penalty double of a partscore. So I am hoping for a ♣ fit, and that partner doesn't think I am pulling from fear. 6♣ might be the right spot, and 5♣ will often make.

[paulg]

5♣

May be too high but gives partner a chance to bid the slam. 4♣ sounds like a weaker distributional hand to me, although that may well be the best description of what we hold!

Paul

[dicklont]

4♣.

[nick_s]

5♣

[jtfanclub]

There must be some reason people aren't bidding 4♠. What is it?

[Fluffy]

I think partner is more likelly to have 4162 than 4153, but both are possible. Our defensive tricks aren't null.

Given that opponents aren't jumping around, some normal layouts would mean 2 or 3 tricks in our hand. Passing 3♠X can be our last chance of going plus, but it is just too risky at IMPs IMO.


On my patnership I would bid 4♥ becuase 4♣ would seem to be a 1516.

[ArtK78]

4♠.

I want to bid a strong 5♣, so 4♠ is the way to do that.

[neilkaz]

jtfanclub, on Dec 27 2007, 08:48 AM, said:

There must be some reason people aren't bidding 4♠.  What is it?

Perhaps the void ?

4♠ does show the slam ambitions with this freak but it bypasses 4♥.

I am torn between committing the hand to the 5 level with 4♠ and just bidding 4♣

[mikeh]

What a nightmare.

Partner's hand is most likely 4=1=6=2, but this could be off by a card in each suit.

Imagine Q109x x AKQxxx xx. Bidding could turn 500/800 into a minus

Imagine A10x x AQxxxx Qxx. Passing could turn 600/620 (I don't think we want to be in slam) into -730.

I am pulling to 4♣. 5♣ is too much, because partner may be 4=2=5=2 or even 4=2=6=1.

And 4♥ shows more hearts than clubs.. he should sit for 4♥ with 3=1=6=3 for example, and now I probably need to be in clubs. Plus, if there is a slam, which I doubt, it will usually be in clubs rather than hearts

[ArcLight]

I will pass.
I think game on a misfit is difficult.
A club part score nets us 130.

Double them and set them 1+ vulnerable.

Where is their source of tricks? Its not like they are 5-5 and can cross ruff.
We have all the side suits bottled up.
Pard should probably lead trumps.

[pclayton]

As weird as this sounds I'm going to pass.

We have 3 suits controlled and pard has expressed an opinion and wants to defend. We may have an 8 card heart fit or even a 9 card club fit, but theres a lot of work to do. It could be +500 versus a making game, but we also might be annihilating 3S.

[y66]

5C

Playing pard for 4=?=5=? with 11 or so HCPs. She'll work out the spade situation and put us in the right spot, if that's still possible

[mike777]

4c
1) not defending with a void if i can avoid it.
2) 3c showed extras
3) Now I should be showing extras, with extra shape and a void in spades.

[jtfanclub]

mike777, on Dec 27 2007, 11:06 PM, said:

3) Now I should be showing extras, with extra shape and a void in spades.

Interesting. To me, 4♣ says "I don't think we can set 3♠". I certainly wouldn't take it to show extras.

[mike777]

jtfanclub, on Dec 28 2007, 01:15 AM, said:

mike777, on Dec 27 2007, 11:06 PM, said:

3) Now I should be showing extras, with extra shape and a void in spades.

Interesting. To me, 4♣ says "I don't think we can set 3♠". I certainly wouldn't take it to show extras.

for me 3c showed extras. (2nt very often shows minimum/good/bad)
pull of double I would hope my partners would think I have a void.

see points one and two

[the hog]

4C, but have a lot of sympathy with pass.