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lots of clubs rrr

Poll: your bid (28 member(s) have cast votes)

your bid

  1. P, gulp (10 votes [35.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  2. X, gulp (11 votes [39.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.29%

  3. 3C, gulp (7 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2007-December-02, 06:11

You hold

A
KQxx
Qx
KJ98xx

vulnerable vs not, decent p, decent opps

RHO deals and opens 1! ugh, you are shocked and you pass.

1-p-1-p
2-?
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Posted 2007-December-02, 07:23

I wonder if 2N would show clubs plus a red suit. Otherwise I pass.
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Posted 2007-December-02, 07:25

Hi,

X is out, ... how do you feel, if poor partner
bids 3D

3C is out as well, the suit is not nearly as robust
as she needs to be, afterall you want to play this
suit at the 3 level red vs. green

Whats left? Pass

If you wanted to bid, you should have done it the
round before, 2C in case it is natural, 1H, assuming
one of the x is a 10 or 9, or 1 NT.
But Pass is certainly ok, and the auction may not be
over yet.

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Posted 2007-December-02, 07:45

I'd have made a natural 2 overcall if methods permitted (they do with my favourite partner). A 1 overcall would be possible for some, though I'd prefer a betters suit to make that with four.

As it is I'm passing.
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Posted 2007-December-02, 10:15

So it sounds like the X I'd do at the table would definitely not be expert bridge, huh?
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Posted 2007-December-02, 11:32

jtfanclub, on Dec 2 2007, 05:15 PM, said:

So it sounds like the X I'd do at the table would definitely not be expert bridge, huh?

Double should show a strong hand with clubs or a t/o with short spades.

This hand doesn't really qualify as either - you're to weak for the strong interpretation and far from ideal shape for a t/o double where 1444/0454 or something like that is perfect.

You're not too happy (to put it mildly) when partner bids 3 (or maybe 2NT lebenshohl followed by 3). And you really hate it if opps double you in 3.
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Posted 2007-December-02, 13:36

Double.

There are downsides but that is not unusual.
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Posted 2007-December-02, 15:10

I would double. If partner bids 2N I am very happy since that is scrambling. If he bids 3 I am not happy but my hand is just too good to pass vulnerable at IMPS (and wrong for 1 on the first round).
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Posted 2007-December-02, 16:25

gwnn, on Dec 2 2007, 07:11 AM, said:

You hold

A_KQxx_Qx_KJ98xx

vulnerable vs not, decent p, decent opps

RHO deals and opens 1! ugh, you are shocked and you pass.

1-p-1-p
2-?

Since you know as soon as RHO opens that you are only going to get one shot at communicating with partner and that it is unlikely you are going to want to play anywhere except 's or NT, save yourself from later problems by overcalling 1H on the first round:

(1C)-1H-??

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Posted 2007-December-02, 16:40

I think it's close between double and 3, anything is risky but so is passing and I would never fail to bid here. I might choose either of those actions. If the club spots were worse I would double, it's the 98 that give me a little more safety in 3 so I think I would go that way on this hand.

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Posted 2007-December-02, 16:47

gwnn, on Dec 2 2007, 07:11 AM, said:

You hold

A
KQxx
Qx
KJ98xx

vulnerable vs not, decent p, decent opps

RHO deals and opens 1! ugh, you are shocked and you pass.

1-p-1-p
2-?

prefer to overcall 1H. with all those spades missing I do not think I am going to defend one club doubled.
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Posted 2007-December-02, 16:48

Yup, it is as clear to act this round as it was to pass last round.

The most common shape for doubling here is probably 1435, I'd have thought, so double feels right here.
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Posted 2007-December-02, 17:36

doh, you have a perfect "marshal miles" 1 4-card overcall there :)

Dbl now, and correct diams to hearts.
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Posted 2007-December-02, 18:00

whereagles, on Dec 3 2007, 12:36 AM, said:

doh, you have a perfect "marshal miles" 1 4-card overcall there :)

Dbl now, and correct diams to hearts.

What do you expect partner to do over 3 with 4252 junk?
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Posted 2007-December-02, 22:22

I would double, 3C second choice.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-03, 02:04

First round I may had bid 2 Club 1 NT or 1 Heart. I think, I had chooses the outside call of 1 NT.
Now I pass.
Yes if we fight for the part score, bidding may be right. But I hope that they will end up too high with spades and clubs bad breaking. But the chance that they end up too high is higher if I do not tell them that the suits are not breaking.
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Posted 2007-December-03, 16:35

skaeran, on Dec 3 2007, 12:00 AM, said:

whereagles, on Dec 3 2007, 12:36 AM, said:

doh, you have a perfect "marshal miles" 1 4-card overcall there :P

Dbl now, and correct diams to hearts.

What do you expect partner to do over 3 with 4252 junk?

I expect him to stay in bad that day.

Joke aside, he'll bid 4. What else?
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Posted 2007-December-03, 16:52

I'm pretty sure with Gnome that a direct 2 would be natural and 2 would be Michaels.

Not playing this I'll wade out with 3. I guess its useful that LHO doesn't know how good his Qxx is :P.
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Posted 2007-December-03, 17:26

pclayton, on Dec 3 2007, 02:52 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure with Gnome that a direct 2 would be natural and 2 would be Michaels.

Not playing this I'll wade out with 3. I guess its useful that LHO doesn't know how good his Qxx is :P.

If 1 was nebulous, then 2 would be natural and 2 would be Michael's. Here it seems that 1 is natural, so 2 would be Michael's.
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