[skjaeran]

mikeh, on Nov 26 2007, 12:22 AM, said:

benlessard, on Nov 23 2007, 07:12 PM, said:

The most important fact is will partner bid 3Nt with an unstopped suit or can he make an offshape jumpshift ? (because if he tend to have stop in all the suit then hes got the A of C)

My answer is not often because its a bit of masterminding to jump to 3nt shutting partner out and let him go down losing the first 5 tricks when both 4M makes !

So i expect 3Nt to make close to 99% of the times.

If for systemic reason partner doesnt promise show stops in all 4 suits then ill bid 4C forcing wheiter its keycard or not

I think such an assumption is unplayable. The other night I held AKJxx Qxx AKQ xx:

The auction began 1♠ 1N.

Any call other than 3N makes no sense at all, at least not to me

I'd rebid 2NT, conventional GF here.
Follow-ups to play 3NT, 4♥ vs 5-card, 4♠ vs Qx (if we want) etc.

[brianshark]

I'm quite surprised about the relative success of 4♥s here. It's quite against my initial guess (and others' as well). But the simulations don't lie!

[benlessard]

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I think such an assumption is unplayable. The other night I held AKJxx Qxx AKQ xx:

The auction began 1♠ 1N.

Any call other than 3N makes no sense at all, at least not to me

Glad we are on the same wavelength because for me too it (3Nt) doesnt make no sense at all !

I see nothing wrong bidding 2Nt (forcing or not) showing 17-19 balanced in my book & if partner decide to pass with 5 pts or (2Q+2J and a stiff spades) i dont mind playing 2Nt.

But my preference is to 3D. Jumpshifting into AKQ is rarely wrong giving partner the chance to rebid 3H to show a 5H suit.

Ask any player worth his salt and you wont find many of them bidding 3Nt.

[Codo]

benlessard, on Nov 27 2007, 04:56 PM, said:

Ask any player worth his salt and you wont find many of them bidding 3Nt.

Is "Worth the salt" an expression for: They are all dead?

I guess that most experts will choose the bid which describe this hand. If 2 NT is 17-19, they can use it. If this is artifical, they will too.

But if 3 NT shows THIS hand, they simply will bid it. They won´t silly jump in a 3 card suit. I know that some players use the jump into 3 card suits frequent to solve other rebid problems- but with other hands.
But to claim that this is common practice with this hand type is simply wrong.

[ASkolnick]

I know this may be unorthodox, but I don't see how you can stop below 4C anyway. Are you really passing 1S-1N-2S? The dangerous auction would be 1S-1N-2C-2D hand where you will be over bidding if partner does not have a fit, but no guarantee he does not. But it is still much easier to realize a misfit on the auction, 1S-2C-2D-2H, 2S-3H Uh -Oh.


You have enough shape that I am not sure you shouldn't just bid your suits. This way you don't have to figure out what to do at the 4 level. Might you be slightly over aggressive, yes, but I think you will be in much better position to make a call.

Over

1S-2C-
2X- Bid Hearts
3S- Tougher, but bid hearts to give the option of playing.