[inquiry]

1♠ (were this is legal, otherwise pass), wtp?

BTW, I kibitzed this hand, so answering subsequent questions might be infuenced by the actual events.

[keylime]

I might table 1♠ if I was with Larry just because of the tremendous potential of trick taking I have in 2 suits. However, 2♠ is a little too offbeat for me.

Once tho you elect 2♠, 5♥, definitely.

[foo]

Hannie, on Nov 19 2007, 10:49 AM, said:

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

It goes

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S
(5C) - ??

Your call?

If you open ♠AQ8642 ♥T9862 ♦9 ♣J you are basically committing yourself to not let Them play the hand below the six (maybe the seven...) level.

5H. In tempo.

[jdonn]

I pass for sure. Assuming partner doesn't have too much heart length, this is plenty of defense for a weak 2. Yes he could be long in hearts, but I'm not positioned to make that guess.

[hrothgar]

Part 1: Playing standard North American methods I pass.

Part 2: If I understand the problem correctly, we're red and they are white. Its unclear whether I want to bid 5 over 5. If I do bid 5 over 5, I am sure as hell NOT bidding 5♥. My 2♠ opening strongly suggested a single suited hand. My new suits at the five level don't suggest an alternative place to play; rather they are lead directing. Why would I ever bid 5♥?

I don't want a heart lead and I don't want to provide the opponent's with extra bidding space to describe their hand.

I can live with 5♠ (I don't like it)
I like Pass.
But never 5♥.

[hrothgar]

FrancesHinden, on Nov 19 2007, 04:02 PM, said:

Walddk, on Nov 19 2007, 01:27 PM, said:

With the hand Han posted here I will pass. I will likely also pass the hand Jason Hackett and Gunnar Hallberg had on vugraph. Jason did, Hallberg opened 2♠.

Roland

...and the 2S opening was not a success
(or at least, his subsequent actions led to it not being a success!)

What was the systemic meaning of 2♠?

[mike777]

Hannie, on Nov 19 2007, 10:49 AM, said:

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

It goes

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S
(5C) - ??

Your call?

PASS over 5c.

My goal when I opened 2s was to make them guess not steal the hand.

[gwnn]

Hannie, on Nov 19 2007, 05:49 PM, said:

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

It goes

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S
(5C) - ??

Your call?

pass... pd is boss of the auction, etc etc etc. I don't abstain cause I can imagine myself bidding 2♠

[kenrexford]

Hannie, on Nov 19 2007, 10:49 AM, said:

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

It goes

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S
(5C) - ??

Your call?

Having opened 2♠, I think I double 5♣. However, I play this double as optional (torn between defending and bidding 5♠).

[dicklont]

Pass. Maybe they are too low, too high or in the wrong strain. Nobody knows. I hope something good has already happened.

[mikeh]

Hannie, on Nov 19 2007, 10:49 AM, said:

OK, a nearly unanimous vote for passing. I opened 2S. If you cannot live with 2S then you can just abstain from the next question.

It goes

(p) - 2S - (3C) - 4S
(5C) - ??

Your call?

I cannot imagine bidding. Yes, it may be right. But I forfeited my right to bid, here, when I opened 2♠....not right away, but definitely over partner's virtually unlimited (could be weak, could be strong) 4♠. He knows what he's got, and the only time it's wrong to pass is when he specifically has a great heart holding. Are we betting the farm on that? Not me.

[kenrexford]

Jlall, on Nov 19 2007, 04:02 PM, said:

I pass 5C. I do not think this is enough extra offense (not that much at all) or extra defense to double. We are red/white.

Oh yeah. Missed the colors the second time around. Red on white, I think you have to pass.

[FrancesHinden]

I wouldn't have opened 2S, but I think once you have made your bed, you have to lie on it. Thus I pass 5C.

[FrancesHinden]

hrothgar, on Nov 19 2007, 08:12 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Nov 19 2007, 04:02 PM, said:

Walddk, on Nov 19 2007, 01:27 PM, said:

With the hand Han posted here I will pass. I will likely also pass the hand Jason Hackett and Gunnar Hallberg had on vugraph. Jason did, Hallberg opened 2♠.

Roland

...and the 2S opening was not a success
(or at least, his subsequent actions led to it not being a success!)

What was the systemic meaning of 2♠?

Sound weak 2 (he had another way of showing a poor weak 2).

[whereagles]

Hum.. like Ben says, this looks like a ZAR 1♠ opener.. lol.

Anyway, I can live with 2♠. Having bid that, I'll take the liberty to bid 5♠ now. Too much playing strength to let them play 5♣.

Yeah, I know I'll have some explaning to do if this goes wrong, but I think 5♠ is right, so I believe I won't have to explain anything... lol. With a bit of luck pard, who is dummy, won't even notice I have a 65. HA!

[han]

I opened 2S and when 5C came back to me I did think that I had much more offense than is usual so I bid 5S. I don't know how my partner at the time would interpret a double, I think I like that better. I asked a good player afterwards, he said he would certainly pass initially but having opened 2S he would bid 5H next to give partner an idea of what to do over 6C.

I expected more support for both of my actions so it has been a very interesting thread to me.

We won 13 IMPs on the hand, we played 5SX making, the other table was in 5C by my teammates after the woman holding my hand passed initially. I do not intend that as evidence suggesting that my choices were right, only as side information for those who are interested.

[Echognome]

Hannie, on Nov 19 2007, 05:34 PM, said:

We won 13 IMPs on the hand, we played 5SX making, the other table was in 5C by my teammates after the woman holding my hand passed initially. I do not intend that as evidence suggesting that my choices were right, only as side information for those who are interested.

Not that it affects your story in the slightest, but your teammates were in 6♣ at the other table.

[han]

Ah ok. You sacced over 5S?

[pclayton]

Hannie, on Nov 19 2007, 09:50 PM, said:

Ah ok. You sacced over 5S?

Effectively we sacced.

6♣ is a great spot but failed. Our hands were: ♠void ♥QJxx ♦KJxx ♣QJxxx opposite ♠Jx ♥Ax ♦Qxx ♣AKxxxx.

With diamonds 5-1 and the heart off its hopeless (I think Matt can make it with mirrors). This is what makes 5♠ roll.