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GNAT, Deerfly, Blackfly (some such)

#41 User is offline   akhare 

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Posted 2007-October-27, 14:43

The_Hog, on Oct 26 2007, 08:24 PM, said:

Hannie, on Oct 27 2007, 03:45 AM, said:

hrothgar, on Oct 23 2007, 05:11 PM, said:

The goal is to create something that is

1.  Fun
2.  Legal
...

Another paradox?

Paradox or oxymoron?

I vote for oxymoron. Although in the case of ACBL, such a quest might qualify for quixotic as well :)...
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Posted 2007-October-29, 15:01

Abstruse, anyone?

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Posted 2007-October-29, 22:52

Al_U_Card, on Oct 29 2007, 04:01 PM, said:

Abstruse, anyone?

You are spot on if you are referring to ACBL policies regarding system regulations :)...
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Posted 2007-October-30, 04:27

Al_U_Card, on Oct 30 2007, 04:01 AM, said:

Abstruse, anyone?

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Posted 2007-November-07, 10:02

Tim and I spent a couple hours testing GNAT in the practice bidding room yesterday evening. Based on our experience, I’ve already implemented one critical system change. I also think (hope?) that we might be slowly converging on a reasonable 4 card major based light opening system.

The most critical change is that we’re moving balanced hands with 11+ - 12 HCP from the 1NT opening to 1M. This will significantly decrease the frequency that we pass out 1NT when we have a 4-4 or 5-3 major suit fit available.

To compensate for this change, a 1N response to a 1M opening is now semi-forcing. Opener will pass any time he holds a minimum strength balanced hand.

We’re also adopting an artificial 2M – 1 rebid by responder (when available) to show a flat 3 card limit raise

1 – 1N
2 – 2

is game invitational with 3 Spades

1 – 1N
2 – 2

is game invitational with 3 Hearts

If the 2M - 1 bid isn't available, we might be forced to rebid 2M +1

1 - 1N
2 - 2

is a game invite with 3 spades

1 - 1N
2 - 2N

is an invite to 3N (and might include 3 Spades)
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Posted 2007-November-20, 03:54

hrothgar, on Oct 23 2007, 10:11 PM, said:

So... I'm vaguely considering creating a GCC legal MOSCITO variant. The goal is to create something that is

1. Fun
2. Legal
3. Minimal memory load
4. Reasonably effective (give the constraints of the GCC)

Here's the current thinking

(All three suited hands are opened either 1 or 1)
(All balanced hands are opened 1NT)

2N = 5+ Clubs and 5+ Diamonds (~ 7 - 11 HCP)
2 = 6+ Spades, single suited (~ 8- 11 HCP)
2 = Two suited with both majors (~ 11 - 14 HCP)
2 = 6+ Diamonds, (~8-11 HCP)
2 = 6+ Clubs (~ 9 - 14 HCP)
1N = 11+ - 14 balanced
1 = 4+ Spades, unbalanced, might have a longer minor (~9-14)
1 = 4+ Hearts, unbalanced, might have a longer minor (~9-14)
1 = 4+ Diamonds, unbalanced (~9-14 HCP)
1 = Strong art forcing

Over 1

4H/4D/4C = Splinters
3N = To play
3 = Value raise
3H/3D/3C = Fit jump (6+ in bid suit, 3 card trump support)
2N = Limit+ with 4 pieces
2S = value raise
2D = natural and non forcing
2C = natural and non-forcing
1N = forcing

I have read this entire discussion (to date) and I think it is interesting.

First, I want to point out that objects 3 and 4 are contradictory. Minimum memory and reasonably effective just don't belong together. A "system" is much more than just an opening bid and a response and a few gadgets. Many who say they play 2/1 or SAYC think they are playing a system but they aren't. What they are playing is very incomplete. Hrothgar only has to look at his own Moscito book to recognize what a "system" is. I recommend that everyone read John Montgomery's book, "Revision" which is available on Daniel's systems page, http://www.geocities...neill_2000/sys/ It gives a great insight to some modern conventions, how they inter-mesh with each other, and the direction that modern expert bridge is heading.

Second. It is interesting that 2/1 responses whether game forcing or non-forcing don't come up near as often as you might think. In John Montgomery's book, he states that in almost 800 deals in world championship play there were only 33 deals that qualified for either a forcing or non-forcing 2/1 response. He said that in 30 of these deals either method would have ended with the same result, 1 GF system would do better and 2 NF system would do better than the other. Evidently it makes little difference which method you use as long as you know your methods.

Third. I think it would be great if you could incorporate Frelling 2-bids as limited 2-level opening bids (with the strength required for a limited Moscito opening bid). I'd be willing to give up weak two bids. If 2-level transfer openings are allowed they could be like Boomerang 2-bids except the same suits would be shown whether weak or strong.

Fourth, I am a certified director but I took the test in 1978. I asked ACBL if I was still a certified director. They said yes. It hardly seems right that someone that hasn't directed a game in over 25 years should still be certified. I need to go back and relearn the laws. I will never be an expert even though I have a good memory. Being able to remember a complex system helps but is not a substitute for good judgment (and a little luck) at the bridge table.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 20:15

try this one:
i do not find the polish club a very good variation of the Blue Team Club system and by the way, SAYC is in fact 99% the standard ITALIAN system !
my friend, Flaviu DR re-developed the Blue Team Club system adding some very sound variations and modern day conventions. I did work on a presentation in Power Point Viewer 2007 (i dont have enough knowledge in programing to do it in another program) which i am sure can help anybody trough its interactive facilities to understand the system and to memorize its mechanism. i can e-mail it free to anybody intrested: its not 100% completed and i would like some feed back.
e-mail a request at:
gdumites@bigpond.net.au
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