[jillybean]

What would you bid here please, and why if there is any thinking invloved

Hand1:

Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ JT654 ♥ 4 ♦ AJT87 ♣ Q5

West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  Pass
 2♥    Pass  Pass  ?
 

Hand2:

Dealer: North Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠ AJT9 ♥ T7 ♦ QJ853 ♣ A3

West North East South

 -     Pass  1♥    ?
 

Hand3:

Dealer: West Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠ 2 ♥ A54 ♦ AKQ54 ♣ QJ85

West North East South

 1NT   Pass  Pass   

[P_Marlowe]

#1 Pass.
Partner was not able to open, and
you are broke as well.

#2 Pass, but I can live with 2D or 1S.

#3 Pass, for most peoble 2C and 2D are
artificial, i.e. you cant play 2m, and
why should one play on the 3 level?
If partner has something, they go down,
if not we go down at the 3 level.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jillybean]

3) No agreements over 1nt so errr, natural.

[Mr. Dodgy]

1. 2♠. ditto jlall

2. 2♦ then ?♠s, but I play a kinda funny overcall structure.

3. indeed depends on methods, my preference is Penalty Double.

[Codo]

1. pass against most, 2 Spade against good opps (they had bid more if they had a chance to make 4).

2. raptor 1 NT if avaiable, but x else

3. 2 ♦, x second choice

[whereagles]

1. Since pard is a passed hand, I'll pass as well. Could be very wrong (we might be cold for 4♠), but I'm willing to risk that.

2. Dbl. Better to get in early, despite a slight shape distortion, than to guess later.

3. Dbl or 2♦, depending on how pard is with his leads

[jtfanclub]

jillybean2, on Sep 10 2007, 12:29 AM, said:

What would you bid here please, and why if there is any thinking invloved

Hand1:

Scoring: IMP

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Hand2:

Scoring: IMP

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Hand3:

Scoring: IMP

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Hand 1- 2♠. I'm a passed hand, so partner won't get frisky. If I was not a passed hand, I'd probably pass it out.

Hand 2- X, but only because partner's a passed hand. If he wasn't, I'd probably just overcall 1♠.

Hand 3- OK, I give up. Whether I X or bid 2♦, they're going to bid 2 of a major (I only have 4 cards in the majors, after all). I can't imagine that we have game. So I'll take my 150 or 200 and go home.

After

1NT P P X
P.. P XX P
2♠ P P

Now what? Do I really like 2♠ doubled?

[han]

1. Clear 2S.

2. Double, second choice 1S.

3. Double.

[jillybean]

Thanks for the replies, here are the full hands.

Hand1: I did bid 2♠ and partner left me there, bottom board.

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  Pass
 2♥    Pass  Pass  2♠
 Pass  Pass  Pass  



Hand2: I tried 'michaels' and the auction went awry. Must to remember to double here! I have been using double to show support for all other suits or a hand too strong for a simple overcall.

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     Pass  1♥    2♥
 Pass  3♣    Pass  3♦
 3♥    3NT   Pass  Pass
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 


Hand3 : I did bid 2♦

Instead if I

jlall said:

smack them off

I would double?

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 1NT   Pass  Pass  2♦
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 

[SoTired]

At IMPS, you fight for the partial with a slight different purpose than at MP. At MP, a lower negative score makes a big difference and all boards count the same, so you might risk a rare disaster to turn a -140 into a -100. At IMPS, you only care about positive score when partials are involved. The size of the positive or negative score makes little difference. For example, -140 vs -100 is only 1 IMP difference, but -140 vs +50 is a 5 IMP difference.
-110 vs +110 is 6 IMPS.

Now compare that to -140 vs -500 (a disaster struck) is 12 IMPS. So all you need is a 2 to 1 ratio for common IMP partial swings vs rare disasters to make it a good deal. So we bid in these cases not because there might be a game, but to fight for the partial that we might make, hoping to turn a negative score into a positive one.


1. 2S. Fighting for the partial. We have an excellent offensive hand and must compete for the partial. Plus, maybe partner has a stack of hearts and 3H is not making, while 2H makes.

2. X, 2D, 1S. A good hand has to compete. This is a perfect hand for a takeout dbl playing "equal level conversion." If partner bids 2C, we can bid 2D showing no additional strength. Even not playing ELC, we can double and hope partner has 5♣ for a 2C bid.

3. X, although 2D might work better. 2D works better if opps run to 2M, because then we can bid 3C.

[SoTired]

You got in trouble in #2, because your "partner" chose twice not to bid spades.

[P_Marlowe]

[jillybean]

What is ELC?

[jillybean]

Jlall, on Sep 10 2007, 10:17 AM, said:

On a seperate note, I think partner is supposed to bid 2N after the 2S balance over which you can bid 3D. This may have a lot to do with your style in third seat though (Could you pass with a 1 suiter in spades and then come in?)

I do not have any agreements over 2♠ here. 2nt says I don't like your suit and asks opener for a second suit?

[SoTired]

ELC = equal level conversion. A convention that if takeout dbler corrects the cheapest takeout suit to the next suit up at the same level, it does not show any extra strength.

Examples playing this convention:
1H X p 2C 2D = 4s and 5+d, min
1D X p 2C 2H = 4s and 5+h, min

Justine is saying that with an opening hand with 4 cards in the other major and 52 or 42 in the minors, he makes a takeout dbl even if not playing ELC.

Play this rule: A takeout dbl promises an opening bid and 3+ cards in unbid majors. That's it.