[Helmer]

Scoring: MP

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PASS - 1 ♣   - 2 ♠   - 3 ♦
3 ♠    - 3 NT  - 4 ♠  - 5 ♦
PASS - PASS - 5 ♠   - DBL -
ALL PASS

Which bid lead to the disaster - was it th 2 ♠, or was it the support from south?

I deleted the 2 further bids 4 ♠ and 5 ♠ as options.

Please give your comment.

Thanks

Result 800 - topplayed KQ in Spades so AJx gave 2 tricks.

[hrothgar]

All of the bidding was atrocious. Lets leave it at that.

On the one hand, the 2♠ bidder preempted way too low to start with then took two free bids later in the auction. If North beleives that his hand is worth competing to the five level, then he damn sure shouldn't make a 2♠ weak jump overcall. When you are preempting, you (typically) chose the level that you are willing to compete to and then make that bid. Walking the Dog lets the opponents exchange information is is begging for them to double you when its right for them and compete effectively when it isn't.

I'm not fond of South's raise to 3♠ with xx in support and a defensive trick. The best I can say is that this bid seems consistant with North's underbid.

[ArtK78]

Of all of the bids taken by North-South in this auction, only one makes any sense at all. The 2S bid by North was remotely rational. There are many players who choose not to preempt to the usual level indicated by the length of their long suit when they have 7222 distribution. Also, the preempt might cause South to sacrifice on the wrong hand - the North hand, with an Ace, has some defense.

Having said that, at favorable vulnerability with a good suit, I would always bid 3S on the North hand.

The raise to 3S by South and the further bids by North are so awful that I may lose my breakfast.

[bid_em_up]

At this vulnerability, I would bid 4♠ initially and be done with it. I expect to be minus two (or three) vs. 4H/5m making on most hands.

[han]

Agree with the others. I'm not going to pick one of the two because that would be too kind to any of the other bids by NS.

[ralph23]

North didn't preempt enough with a passed-hand-partner. I'd bid 3♠ at least. And probably 4, depending on what I'd had for lunch. I can take either 6 or 7 tricks in my own hand if ♠ are trump (depending on the Jack of trump), and at these colors overbidding by 4 tricks is fine.

If West dealt and opened then p isn't a passed hand, and I'm just overcalling 1♠ on the North hand.

The remainder of the bids by NS are too awful to comment on. North in particular violated Bill Root's Cardinal Rule of Pre-Empts, and did it twice: Pre-empt as high as you dare, and then shut up, unless partner forces you or invites you to take action.

South's raise wasn't good, to be sure, but if North had followed the Cardinal Rule, it would not have led to so much mischief.

[jtfanclub]

I don't object much to the 3♠ bid. It's a 'table feel' bid, and a pretty safe one at that. After all, it's not like your partner's going to bid again, right? I might bid 3♠ if LHO looks really excited, or RHO bid 3♦ quickly over the jump. Or I might not.

[zasanya]

Helmer, on Aug 7 2007, 09:11 AM, said:

Result 800 - topplayed KQ in Spades so AJx gave 2 tricks.

Is the result all that awful? -800 against -620 or -650.Could have been -500?Happens all the time but N should have bid 4♠ to begin with.

[bid_em_up]

zasanya, on Aug 7 2007, 11:06 AM, said:

Helmer, on Aug 7 2007, 09:11 AM, said:

Result 800 - topplayed KQ in Spades so AJx gave 2 tricks.

Is the result all that awful? -800 against -620 or -650.Could have been -500?Happens all the time but N should have bid 4♠ to begin with.

At Matchpoints, it's a likely zero.

[cherdano]

This is really funny, the auction is so terrible, but the only reason they got a bottom instead of an excellent score is that declarer didn't take the spade finesse against the Jack that seems obvious on the bidding.

[pclayton]

I don't like the bidding.

My comments:

2♠ = very, very conservative at these colors. 3♠ is fine and I don't mind 1♠

3♠ = I know my pard is "very, very conservative at these colors", so I'm allowed to raise on anything. Thats why we are a great team.

4♠ = Hey, what do you know - I have a 7 card suit and pard raised? Lets push the pot a little.

5♠ = So, pard can't double 5x? 5♠ has to be a good sac.