[Edmunte1]

1. About hand evaluation: this is a 4 loser hand, and we should be in game after partner's response.
2. Playing natural we have the only game focing bid below 3nt to show this 3♣. If we play this as conventional with a 3♦ relay for description is perfect, or if partner can understand that many times we can have some strong hands with solid/semisolid diamond or a very strong hand 3 card fit, and act properly is OK. If that's not possible, then i'll bid 3NT
3. Of course there some other systems (like strong club systems), methods (like playing 2♥ with more meanings), that require learning/discussing to improve this. But this is not the object of this forum.

[han]

I don't bid 3NT without solid diamonds so that's out. I'm in the 3C camp, I admit I've been down in 3NT in the past.

[goobers]

Okay so basically what happened was that my friend rebid 3N, which I thought was a bad idea basically because I understand that you're supposed to have a running suit for this bid, and that bad things are going to happen if they lead any major (hey, we've all responded with absolute garbage before...)

I suggested 3C if he wanted to force, I thought 3D was a reasonable bid (being aware that I am an absolute absolute maximum), but I see now that a lot of people consider this hand good enough to force.

Thanks all