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When responding to Jacoby 2nt do you show a shortness when it is a singleton ace? If you do, does this cause problems when cue bidding and using ace asking bids later?
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Jacoby 2nt response Show shortness on a singleton A?
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Posted 2007-July-06, 22:24
No.
Yes.
Yes.
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Posted 2007-July-07, 21:20
Short and sweet. Thanks Ken
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Posted 2007-July-08, 04:30
Yes.
Yes.
Partner bids 2NT and you have to answer.
All bids between 2NT and 4M have a meaning,
you have to pick the one, which describes your
hand best.
So if you have a better bid, take this, but else show
the single.
If you have a forward going hand with a singleton Ace,
than you have to show the shortage, it will mislead
partner so that he devalues KQxx in the suit, but it may
be your best bid compared to 4M, which shows comlete
garbage.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Yes.
Partner bids 2NT and you have to answer.
All bids between 2NT and 4M have a meaning,
you have to pick the one, which describes your
hand best.
So if you have a better bid, take this, but else show
the single.
If you have a forward going hand with a singleton Ace,
than you have to show the shortage, it will mislead
partner so that he devalues KQxx in the suit, but it may
be your best bid compared to 4M, which shows comlete
garbage.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2007-July-08, 05:45
P_Marlowe, on Jul 8 2007, 05:30 AM, said:
Yes.
Yes.
Partner bids 2NT and you have to answer.
All bids between 2NT and 4M have a meaning,
you have to pick the one, which describes your
hand best.
So if you have a better bid, take this, but else show
the single.
If you have a forward going hand with a singleton Ace,
than you have to show the shortage, it will mislead
partner so that he devalues KQxx in the suit, but it may
be your best bid compared to 4M, which shows comlete
garbage.
Yes.
Partner bids 2NT and you have to answer.
All bids between 2NT and 4M have a meaning,
you have to pick the one, which describes your
hand best.
So if you have a better bid, take this, but else show
the single.
If you have a forward going hand with a singleton Ace,
than you have to show the shortage, it will mislead
partner so that he devalues KQxx in the suit, but it may
be your best bid compared to 4M, which shows comlete
garbage.
The problem is not just that partner will undervalue his holdings in your short suit.
The problem is also that partner will misplace your cards.
If he visualizes 13 points scattered among spades, diamonds, and clubs, and a stiff in hearts, he will also be disappointed because you only have, say, nine points scattered among spades, diamonds, and clubs because four of your points are locked into your stiff heart.
If you treat a stiff Ace as if it was Ax, partner's expectations willl not as often be shattered.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."
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Posted 2007-July-08, 09:56
Arend and I usually don't show the ace as shortness, and we've had some good experiences with selling a hand like Kxx AQxxx A KJxx as 2-5-2-4.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-July-08, 10:58
Hannie, on Jul 8 2007, 10:56 AM, said:
Arend and I usually don't show the ace as shortness, and we've had some good experiences with selling a hand like Kxx AQxxx A KJxx as 2-5-2-4.
What would you bid with the given
hand, in case the Queen and the Jack
are spots?
With the given hand you have several
options, either bid 3NT
(as your remark seems to indicate,you
intend to do), bid 3S (a slight over bid)
or 4D.
With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2007-July-08, 12:23
We'd still show a 2-5-2-4 I think. With the hand I gave we'd show that pattern with extras, with a minimal hand we'd first show a minimum and then show the pattern.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-July-08, 13:11
If holding near minimum, I treat singleton A or K as part of a balanced hand. If strong enough that transforming the singleton honor into a small card would still have been an opening hand, I show the singleton Ace but still treat the singleton King as if it were Kx (singleton Kings can improve more responder holdings than a singleton Ace can).
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Posted 2007-July-09, 03:19
I only show stiff-A if I would make the same bid if it was stiff-small. IOW, if I have an extra king.
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