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#21 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2007-July-06, 14:55

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There seems to be a growing number of strong North American players (I am one of them and I suspect Hamman is too) who believe that it is never appropriate to signal out of tempo.


I agree with this, a Smith echo does not take place on the first trick, by now you should have made up your mind if you encourage or discourage (maybe before turning over trick 1?).

Even with standard signals I've seen things like King lead, declarer takes some time, plays, yet even more time, the 3, meaning I don't really like your lead but don't want anything else...

A Smith echo is not a dual message signal, which is where it gets really messy. Italian carding. A slow 4 means "I want to encourage but I don't have an odd card"...
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Posted 2007-July-06, 17:11

Fwiw. I read the book some years ago and found it interesting, but it did annoy me. What annoyed me was that someone who is presumably intelligent could presents some arguments so illogically and parochially. (I say presumably because I have never met him). Many of these books are ghost written, however and it is quite possible that some ideas were either exaggerated or mis interpreted.

I find it interesting that Justin says Hamman no longer agrees with many of the ways presented in the book.

Now the Swanson book, on the other hand, that was a nasty piece of work.
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Posted 2007-July-06, 17:59

fred, on Jul 7 2007, 03:06 AM, said:

Smith is singled out because it is so well-defined in terms of when it applies and what a Smith signal means.

An in-tempo Smith "I like your lead" signal means "I like your lead".

A slow Smith "I like your lead" signal means "I think your lead was OK".

An in-tempo Smith "I don't like your lead" signal means "I don't like your lead".

A slow Smith "I don't like your lead" signal means "I don't hate your lead".

There is exactly the same problem with standard attitude but most players don't complain about that.
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Posted 2007-July-06, 18:52

>As far as smith, Fred gave a good explanation. FWIW I still don't play smith today and never have. However, Bob does play smith! In fact Bob disagrees with several of his ideas from 10 years ago. This to me is one of the main reasons Bob has stayed at the top for so long, he never got stuck in his ways and beliefs and adapted as the game and theory of the game evolved.

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What are some of his ideas he no longer agrees with (other than Smith Echo)
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Posted 2007-July-06, 21:29

This still has me bothered, this Smith echo business.

Back in 1993-1994, I partnered a young kid for a while while I was in the D.C. area who was quite a good new player. He seems to have dropped off the face of the planet, but he was friends with some younger players some of you may know.

Anyway, we discussed defensive carding. Our agreement was either standard or upside-down, cannot remember. But, the key was that we agreed to play the right card.

That may sound wildly simplistic, but it was actually quite complicated, in a sense. The idea was that there are three basic signals -- count, attitude, and suit-prefernce, or so the ACBL convention card tells us. We'll forget the really strange stuff, like Prism signals.

Some carding carries dual messages, like Lavinthal (positive attitude for one suit, negative for another) or the Blue Peter (count for two suits simultaneuously), but, to make things simple, three basic signals.

Some folks play a card according to a rule. A pitch is usually attitude. A switch is usually attitude. You play suit-preference in a suit that is stiff on dummy. Whatever.

We played "the right card." The way you handled this was to look at the deal and empathize partner's issue(s). He will likely have one. If he needs suit preference, give suit preference. If he needs count, give count. If he needs attitude, give attitude. That also seems simple. It gets more interesting.

Suppose that partner's "issue" is count in diamonds. I'd give count in diamonds. However, I might not have the luxury of playing diamonds to do that. I might have to use clubs for that purpose.

A simple example. Dummy has KQJxxx in clubs, with no entry, but Declarer is on dummy. I can tell that partner will want to know how many times, if ever, to duck his Ace of clubs. How I "know" that is unimportant -- trust that I do. Suppose further that partner's decision will be to duck once or to not duck at all. I'm trying to make this simple, so just trust that also. So, he leads a diamond toward his hand. If I hold an even number of clubs, I give count in diamonds for "even," regardless of my diamond count. If odd, odd.

A Smith Echo is a pre-arranged agreement of that type. We have pre-agreed to show attitude for X suit when Y suit is played. Nothing strange here. This is simply a pre-determined recurring example of the "right card" principle. (BTW, the kid was amazing at this.) So is, in a lesser and less reliable sense, a "blue peter" or a Lavinthal Discard. BTW -- A Lavinthal Discard is made by lots of people even without discussion, as a "right card" defense, like a suit-preference signal when you underlead AKQxxxx hoping to hit partner for a void-suit return or when you use a pip in that suit to give suit-preference for the other two suits in a who-saves-what squeeze position.

Anyway, I cannot imagine that the bridge authorities would bar people from playing "the right card defense." That would be completely unbelievable. Agreeing to play Smith, or to play Lavinthal, or to play standard signals is simply a predetermination as to what card you believe to most frequently be "the right card" so you do not have to work out the real-world problem that partner has, possibly because you are not good enough to do that or possibly because you believe that the likelihood of being able to read a situation accurately is lower than the likelihood that a predetermined structure will be right, or that certainty pays more than flexibility. Whatever.

The point is that a "Smith Echo" can be an agreement or it can flow from circumstance logic. The exceptions to a Smith default are essentially "right card" thinking.

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Posted 2007-July-08, 06:36

Gerben42, on Jul 6 2007, 07:34 AM, said:

But is it a book worth reading?

Yes. Definitely. Even if you happen to disagree with some of Hamman's ideas about how bridge should be played (and they are certainly worth thinking about), that is only a small part of the book.

The chapters about his rubber bridge experience, the legendary Bermuda Bowls etc. are an extremely good read.
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Posted 2007-July-08, 07:18

Being sidetracked from the main point of the book is to do a disservice to yourself when reading it; you miss the information from a most instructive book.

There are two great lessons in this book:

1) To become a bridge player, you simply must train yourself to stay focused and fixated on the tast at hand - solving the present problem; even harder, you must learn to wipe the last hand from your mind as soon as the score is recorded else you can never focus fully on the current problem.

2) Don't screw up the easy ones.
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